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johnr



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:25 am    Post subject: Honda 135 outboard on a 25' Reply with quote

I'm looking at a 25' c-dory, currently with a Honda 135. That seems a bit under-powered to me. Does anyone have any experience with running a 135 on a 25'?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They were very common. There are many here that had that combo. Someone with hands on experience should chime in.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnr,
The 135 & 150 Honda are the same engine. The 135 is just detuned, so it can meet requirements of boats out there, that had a 135 limit.
Bottom line is that it is a tried and true, reliable engine and unless you want to go faster than most of us do, in a C-Dory, it will be more than adiquate.
Take it for a test drive...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 135 should be a good engine, but what year is it and how many hours?

I have 150 and wouldn't want anything less when loaded for fishing and cruising as things get heavy.

I think it would perform best with a bare bones, no kicker, radar, extra weight setup, or if you don't mind 25 miles and under. Slow and steady wins the race anyways. https://global.honda/newsroom/news/2003/p030731-bf150-eng.html
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 15 HP is only noticeable at the top end. There are valve train adjustments and injection differences which give that extra HP. The 135 still has plenty of torque, and should perform well.

Some of the boats (My first 25 included) had only the 130. This was the same block as the 115, and was a bit under powered. However the boat would plane all and cruise in the 17 to 19 MPH range even loaded for a month's cruise in AK.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Honda 135 outboard on a 25' Reply with quote

johnr wrote:
I'm looking at a 25' c-dory, currently with a Honda 135. That seems a bit under-powered to me. Does anyone have any experience with running a 135 on a 25'?

Thanks


My 2003 25 came with a Honda 130, after 1 trip with the terrible under powered POS, I sold the Honda & replaced it with a Suzuki 175 (only because no one had a 200 in stock) the Suzi has been great for the last 2400 hrs!! Mr. Green Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Honda 135 outboard on a 25' Reply with quote

tsturm wrote:
johnr wrote:
I'm looking at a 25' c-dory, currently with a Honda 135. That seems a bit under-powered to me. Does anyone have any experience with running a 135 on a 25'?

Thanks


My 2003 25 came with a Honda 130, after 1 trip with the terrible under powered POS, I sold the Honda & replaced it with a Suzuki 175 (only because no one had a 200 in stock) the Suzi has been great for the last 2400 hrs!! Mr. Green Thumbs Up


Enough power is so subjective. I feel the same as you, more than enough is way better than wishing you had enough. But, for the right price I would not rule out a marginally powered boat.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had a 135 Honda on Wild Blue, and it performed well. No issue getting on plane and running 20+ knots when loaded for cruising. The only time I wished for more HP was at high elevation, like Lake Tahoe or Yellowstone Lake; a different prop helps at elevation, but most of our use was at sea level.

We found the boat most comfortable at 6 knots or 16 knots, depending on the circumstances and what you wanted for range.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Honda 135 outboard on a 25' Reply with quote

tsturm wrote:
johnr wrote:
I'm looking at a 25' c-dory, currently with a Honda 135. That seems a bit under-powered to me. Does anyone have any experience with running a 135 on a 25'?

Thanks


My 2003 25 came with a Honda 130, after 1 trip with the terrible under powered POS, I sold the Honda & replaced it with a Suzuki 175 (only because no one had a 200 in stock) the Suzi has been great for the last 2400 hrs!! Mr. Green Thumbs Up


Not to highjack but what year was the 175 bought? Same block as the 200hp? Thinking about my next one Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone. The engine is a 2007 with 1100 hours. I'm going to take it for a test run this weekend. I think Bob, as always, has nailed it. The loss of lack of more HP is noticeable at the top end, which is fine by me.

I can't wrap my mind around a Honda being a POS. I've owned only Honda engines (not counting kicker motors), and they have all been a pleasure to operate.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the 07 150 designed on the vtech same as the 135. Been great for us 1067 hours. When they launched they said fuel economy was 20% better than the 130 it replaced. Enjoy the new boat
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: Honda 135 outboard on a 25' Reply with quote

kaelc wrote:
tsturm wrote:
johnr wrote:
I'm looking at a 25' c-dory, currently with a Honda 135. That seems a bit under-powered to me. Does anyone have any experience with running a 135 on a 25'?

Thanks


My 2003 25 came with a Honda 130, after 1 trip with the terrible under powered POS, I sold the Honda & replaced it with a Suzuki 175 (only because no one had a 200 in stock) the Suzi has been great for the last 2400 hrs!! Mr. Green Thumbs Up


Not to highjack but what year was the 175 bought? Same block as the 200hp? Thinking about my next one Smile


2011 Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A follow-up:

First, thank you for your replies and advice...it was all very helpful. I ended up buying the 25' foot C-Dory. Finally. I've been looking for a 25 for several years. I was always either a day late, a dollar short or, often, both!

As far as the 135 engine goes...I did not find it to be underpowered at all. It calm seas, the boat settles in and cruises nicely between 19 - 23 mph. Yesterday, loaded with crab traps and four big grown men, it ran 29 mph at WOT. It's maybe a smidge slower that my old 22 with the Honda 90 at top end speed, but I think the new boat gets up to speed faster.

The only curious thing is that WOT is barely over 5000 rpm, but maybe that's normal?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only curious thing is that WOT is barely over 5000 rpm, but maybe that's normal?

With the 150 we find out WOT IS RIGHT ABOUT 30, BUT THE RPM ARE RIGHT BELOW 6,000.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thataway wrote:
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The only curious thing is that WOT is barely over 5000 rpm, but maybe that's normal?

With the 150 we find out WOT IS RIGHT ABOUT 30, BUT THE RPM ARE RIGHT BELOW 6,000.


Is that with a light or heavy boat?
What prop do you have on?
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