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johnr
Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 308 City/Region: Bellingham
State or Province: WA
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Vessel Name: Stillwater
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:25 am Post subject: Honda 135 outboard on a 25' |
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I'm looking at a 25' c-dory, currently with a Honda 135. That seems a bit under-powered to me. Does anyone have any experience with running a 135 on a 25'?
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4656 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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They were very common. There are many here that had that combo. Someone with hands on experience should chime in. _________________ "We can go over there...behind the 'little one'....."
Wife to her husband pointing @ us...from the bow of their 50-footer; Prideaux Haven 2013 |
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srbaum
Joined: 30 Aug 2010 Posts: 884 City/Region: Portsmouth
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Johnr,
The 135 & 150 Honda are the same engine. The 135 is just detuned, so it can meet requirements of boats out there, that had a 135 limit.
Bottom line is that it is a tried and true, reliable engine and unless you want to go faster than most of us do, in a C-Dory, it will be more than adiquate.
Take it for a test drive... _________________ Steve Baum
Homeport of Portsmouth, VA
OSPREY (Ex Mister Sea) 2000 22 C-Dory 2010 - Sold 3/19
OSPREY (Ex ADITI) 2007 26 Cape Cruiser 2018 |
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kaelc
Joined: 19 Jul 2017 Posts: 411 City/Region: Saanich
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Vessel Name: Island Magic
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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The 135 should be a good engine, but what year is it and how many hours?
I have 150 and wouldn't want anything less when loaded for fishing and cruising as things get heavy.
I think it would perform best with a bare bones, no kicker, radar, extra weight setup, or if you don't mind 25 miles and under. Slow and steady wins the race anyways. https://global.honda/newsroom/news/2003/p030731-bf150-eng.html |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20858 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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The 15 HP is only noticeable at the top end. There are valve train adjustments and injection differences which give that extra HP. The 135 still has plenty of torque, and should perform well.
Some of the boats (My first 25 included) had only the 130. This was the same block as the 115, and was a bit under powered. However the boat would plane all and cruise in the 17 to 19 MPH range even loaded for a month's cruise in AK. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
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tsturm
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 1135 City/Region: Soldotna
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Honda 135 outboard on a 25' |
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johnr wrote: | I'm looking at a 25' c-dory, currently with a Honda 135. That seems a bit under-powered to me. Does anyone have any experience with running a 135 on a 25'?
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My 2003 25 came with a Honda 130, after 1 trip with the terrible under powered POS, I sold the Honda & replaced it with a Suzuki 175 (only because no one had a 200 in stock) the Suzi has been great for the last 2400 hrs!! |
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T.R. Bauer
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 1747 City/Region: Wasilla
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C-Dory Year: 1993
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Honda 135 outboard on a 25' |
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tsturm wrote: | johnr wrote: | I'm looking at a 25' c-dory, currently with a Honda 135. That seems a bit under-powered to me. Does anyone have any experience with running a 135 on a 25'?
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My 2003 25 came with a Honda 130, after 1 trip with the terrible under powered POS, I sold the Honda & replaced it with a Suzuki 175 (only because no one had a 200 in stock) the Suzi has been great for the last 2400 hrs!! |
Enough power is so subjective. I feel the same as you, more than enough is way better than wishing you had enough. But, for the right price I would not rule out a marginally powered boat. |
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JamesTXSD
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 7447 City/Region: from island boy to desert dweller
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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We had a 135 Honda on Wild Blue, and it performed well. No issue getting on plane and running 20+ knots when loaded for cruising. The only time I wished for more HP was at high elevation, like Lake Tahoe or Yellowstone Lake; a different prop helps at elevation, but most of our use was at sea level.
We found the boat most comfortable at 6 knots or 16 knots, depending on the circumstances and what you wanted for range. |
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kaelc
Joined: 19 Jul 2017 Posts: 411 City/Region: Saanich
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Honda 135 outboard on a 25' |
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tsturm wrote: | johnr wrote: | I'm looking at a 25' c-dory, currently with a Honda 135. That seems a bit under-powered to me. Does anyone have any experience with running a 135 on a 25'?
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My 2003 25 came with a Honda 130, after 1 trip with the terrible under powered POS, I sold the Honda & replaced it with a Suzuki 175 (only because no one had a 200 in stock) the Suzi has been great for the last 2400 hrs!! |
Not to highjack but what year was the 175 bought? Same block as the 200hp? Thinking about my next one |
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johnr
Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 308 City/Region: Bellingham
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks everyone. The engine is a 2007 with 1100 hours. I'm going to take it for a test run this weekend. I think Bob, as always, has nailed it. The loss of lack of more HP is noticeable at the top end, which is fine by me.
I can't wrap my mind around a Honda being a POS. I've owned only Honda engines (not counting kicker motors), and they have all been a pleasure to operate. |
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kaelc
Joined: 19 Jul 2017 Posts: 411 City/Region: Saanich
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C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:05 am Post subject: |
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I have the 07 150 designed on the vtech same as the 135. Been great for us 1067 hours. When they launched they said fuel economy was 20% better than the 130 it replaced. Enjoy the new boat |
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tsturm
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 1135 City/Region: Soldotna
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:37 am Post subject: Re: Honda 135 outboard on a 25' |
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kaelc wrote: | tsturm wrote: | johnr wrote: | I'm looking at a 25' c-dory, currently with a Honda 135. That seems a bit under-powered to me. Does anyone have any experience with running a 135 on a 25'?
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My 2003 25 came with a Honda 130, after 1 trip with the terrible under powered POS, I sold the Honda & replaced it with a Suzuki 175 (only because no one had a 200 in stock) the Suzi has been great for the last 2400 hrs!! |
Not to highjack but what year was the 175 bought? Same block as the 200hp? Thinking about my next one |
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johnr
Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 308 City/Region: Bellingham
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:59 am Post subject: |
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A follow-up:
First, thank you for your replies and advice...it was all very helpful. I ended up buying the 25' foot C-Dory. Finally. I've been looking for a 25 for several years. I was always either a day late, a dollar short or, often, both!
As far as the 135 engine goes...I did not find it to be underpowered at all. It calm seas, the boat settles in and cruises nicely between 19 - 23 mph. Yesterday, loaded with crab traps and four big grown men, it ran 29 mph at WOT. It's maybe a smidge slower that my old 22 with the Honda 90 at top end speed, but I think the new boat gets up to speed faster.
The only curious thing is that WOT is barely over 5000 rpm, but maybe that's normal? |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20858 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | The only curious thing is that WOT is barely over 5000 rpm, but maybe that's normal? |
With the 150 we find out WOT IS RIGHT ABOUT 30, BUT THE RPM ARE RIGHT BELOW 6,000. |
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alainP
Joined: 07 Oct 2016 Posts: 200 City/Region: TUCSON
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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thataway wrote: | Quote: | The only curious thing is that WOT is barely over 5000 rpm, but maybe that's normal? |
With the 150 we find out WOT IS RIGHT ABOUT 30, BUT THE RPM ARE RIGHT BELOW 6,000. |
Is that with a light or heavy boat?
What prop do you have on? |
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