Thoughts on extra fuel storage

BrentB · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:28 pm Post subject:

I really like the RotoPax system but dont need them
http://rotopax.com/

On new generation gas cans, I removed the spring loaded tip and use a large Mr Funnel. I plan to buy a larger funnel from Tractor Supply and remove the entire spout, pour directly from the can

localboy · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:34 pm Post subject:

potter water · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:18 pm Post subject:

Cheapo wall mart red containers and the wiggle type siphon tubes for xfer with the spout removed are the ticket. Yes, some care is needed for safety, and "children" are not allowed to fuel my boat in any case. Fire extinguishers should be on standby. I always place the fuel can on the gunnel on the side I'm fueling, held by the deck hand. In emergency it'll be pushed over the side and epa be damned. At least the deck hand and the captain won't be burned alive. Less chance of a spill with the siphon than using the California spouts. hate those things. Must have been their governor to come up with that solution. He's not an engineer I suspect.

hambone · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:34 pm Post subject:

Great info guys. Just placed my order.

http://www.amazon.com/Super-Siphon-1009-1-Hose/dp/B000ZOT39A/ref=pd_sim_sg_23

halibut taco · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:29 pm Post subject:

You won't be disappointed with a shaker siphon. They work great and are cheap.
I use it with one of the blue 15 gal poly drums here Jay:
http://unitechofalaska.com/store/page37.html

For me the 15gal plastic drum is easier to deal with than several smaller cans. I strap it to the rail next to the cockpit step. It has a small footprint and doesn't affect the boat's ride noticeably. When it's empty I strap it up in the dinghy.

BrentB · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:53 pm Post subject:

We have reagents in 15 gal containers
see
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23849

When filled, they weigh over 100 lbs and in the past used them for waste oil at home

How are you securing and venting them in the boat?

At work we use to hand trucks for transport and containers are just free standing

halibut taco · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:17 pm Post subject:

Gasoline is about 6 pounds per gallon making the 15 gal drum under 100 lbs. I can lift it myself onto a 5 gallon bucket. Then I siphon it from there into the main tank. To secure it I put the drum on a small towel to increase friction between drum and deck, then use a ratchet strap to the rail. It doesn't move, I've been in some rough weather with it.
The drum is not vented. We have cool weather here so I don't worry about expansion too much. I probably leave about 2 gal space for expansion. The drum is pretty rigid and handles pressure well. It doesn't take long to run through 13 gal with the distances we travel here so the drum is usually emptied by the next morning. It's pretty easy to crack the seal and let pressure out if needed. Your link appears to be the same drum. I notice it says not for fuel. My dealer said it was, I just needed to change the seals out with seals safe for fuel.

BrentB · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:29 pm Post subject:

I wonder if a rotary hand pump could e added?

see

http://www.jmesales.com/product/fill-rite-sd62-rotary-hand-pump,5276,5404.htm?gclid=COy68uHOwLwCFeYWMgodJSEAyQ

BrentB · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:37 pm Post subject:

Aurelia · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:35 pm Post subject:

I have used the rotopax in some terrible conditions for motorcycling and would surely trust them not to fail. They are very thick walled and flat with many attachment options. They also make them for water and gear storage. They are relativly low capacity but have mounts that are very secure and can be stacked up to three deep with spacers on the mounts. Or just banked together and strapped like this,

http://www.gowesty.com/images/ec/products/large/large_039b9a9876f3a29c47567502db2b3cd1.jpg

Their photo page

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rotopax

I have ordered from this site which has quite a range of tanks.

http://www.justgastanks.com/

Examples:

plastic jerry can type minus the corrosion
http://justgastanks.com/product_info.php?products_id=1833

they do have some bladders but they are pricey (53 gallon for $600)
http://justgastanks.com/index.php?cPath=413_420

Motorcycle type
http://justgastanks.com/product_info.php?products_id=1322

Roy & Dixie · Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:06 am Post subject:

My 1999 22' CD has 2 18 gal tanks. I leveled them side to side with shims to allow more useable fuel to be delivered to the outboard pick-up tubes. This then allowed me room to install a third tank between the 2 original tanks; a 12 gal tank. I ran fuel line, teed into the main fuel line after the 2-tank selector valve, which also has an off position. The new fuel line has it's own on/off valve. This allows me to select one of any of the 3 tanks, now totaling 48 gal. The new tank is strapped down and can be moved out if I need to access the bilge pump, now blocked by the new tank.

breausaw · Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:54 am Post subject:

I have a fishing buddy who has been using these 6 gallon water jugs for gas the last couple years, most every trip he takes a few along. Thinking of switching over, I'll write gas on the side so no one takes a drink. Very Happy

. He puts in 5.5 gallons of gas so there is a .5 gallon air space for expansion. Hay, the color matches my boat trim way better then the ugly red jugs. Thumbs Up

petemos · Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:58 am Post subject: Moveing gas around

I built an electric pump to get the gas out of the Gerry cans. It prevents spilling and also I broke one of the gas cap chains putting the nozzle into the filling hole and then had a pain of a time replacing the chain. This is not the cheapest option, but you buy an external electric car fuel pump with filter, and then connect whatever length of gas house your need to the siphon and output end. You then add extra wiring to get the length you want and terminate the wiring with a 12 volt cigarette type jack. The speed of transfer depends on the fuel pump you buy. Mine is about 1 gallon a minute. I also attach a quick snap connector at the siphon or output end. I have two extra connectors in my Fuel separator and connect to them. One, if I want to pump the tanks dry at the end of the season, the other if I want to pump directly into a tank. I also use this pump to get fuel out of my other outboard fuel containers and to pump fuel into my ATV. I’m just too lazy these day and old to be holding these 5/6 gallon cans up while the fuel is flowing out.

Jim

anchorout · Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:12 pm Post subject: new spouts

I recently purchased one of the gas jugs with the new style spouts. Of course it didn't work as it should. Using the KISS principle, one can pop these mechanical marvels apart, pull the guts out of them, and once popped back together, they work just as good as the old style jugs did.