Motor weight issues E-Tec vs 4-stroke

makushin

I'm purchasing a used 22 CD....guess I'll have to get rid of the 16.....and am considering repowering.

I'm wondering about the 100 lb weight savings from going with an E-tec 90 vs a 90 4-stroke.

Some have suggested that the added weight is advantageous which is counter intuitive to me.

Also in the early days of CD's there were no 4-strokes and I assume the design assumed a lighter weight 2-stroke at the stern.

Does anyone out there wish their outboard was lighter or give me a good reason to stick with 4-stroke repower rather than go with E-Tec?

I guess I want to know if weight is a significant factor.

Mr. Fisherman · Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:58 am Post subject:

two words...
Trim tabs...

Actually in my Angler I almost don't need them with my 4 stroke 90HP Suzuki.

I'd never look back however I am looking forward to getting trim tabs to give me lateral trim with a load.

flagold · Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:07 am Post subject:

Access. If you plan to trailer the boat, there are places that don't allow 2-strokes.

MM

Buck · Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:23 am Post subject: E-Tec;

When I got a 4 stroke, I thought I was forever done with the fuel guzzling 2 strokes and their stinky exhaust. But Evinrude comes out with the E-Tec, dog gone, it's taking some time, but I am becoming impressed! If I was going to get a new boat, or repower, I think I would give one a try. They have a 3 star emission ratting, and will go anywhere a 4 stroke will go. There reported to get better fuel economy then a same hp 4 stroke, through the entire operating range, and produce less emissions! How could that be???????
It would be a good idea to let this high tec stuff prove itself on the market for the first year or so, but like I said, I think I would try one!
If any one get's a new E-Tec, I tell ya their would be a bunch of folks here waiting to hear all about it, in detail!!!!!!

I applaud Bombardier for trying, and not letting the Evinrude and Johnson names fade away.
Buck...

Sawdust · Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:47 am Post subject:

Les will be hanging a 90 ETEC on my 22 next week. I'll give a full report once the rascal is broken in... looks good to me.

Dusty

Buck · Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:40 pm Post subject: E-Tec;

I'll be all ears Sawdust! The brochure says no brake in required!
Buck...

starcrafttom · Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:52 pm Post subject:

less just put a honda 4 stroke on my new boat and i wish it was a e-tec instead. honda had the financing at 4.75. the e-tec is lighter, cleaner, faster, just as quit, and requires less service. hell you don't need a dealer tune up or service for 3 years. there is no oil that does not get burned in the combustion prosess. and you don't have to change the oil. you don't even have to mix the oil. there is no brake in period either. just go full tilt right out of the box. I was sold on this motor after reading about it several times. if i was paying cash or doing the loan thru my bank ( 6.75 %) i would have gotten this motor. by the way i belive that honda is getting rid of its carbureted motors and going to fuel injection next year.

flagold · Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject:

Great to hear all the "no 2-stroke" lakes have been changed to allow the E-tec! Nothing wrong with a clean burning 2 stroke.

Redƒox · Guest

Buddy believe youz me... you want the extra weight! In short (and maybe you've read this before) but when your passengers all have to crowd into the cabin in nasty weather and you have consumed a lot of your fuel (stern weight) this changes the handling something terrible in a following sea. And that is one of the "weaknesses" of a flat-bottomed boat.
Personally, me thinks they were designed as a "work boat" carrying most there cargo in the cockpit.
When your out and burn a lot of your weight that is not a permanent part of your boat (fuel, and it is quite heavy) Out in rough water with everyone in the cabin.... the C-Dory is transformed, well, any boat is actually, but the more permanent weight back there the better.
Of course with trim-tabs this allows control of weight. When your too-stern-heavy (working hauling wood er-sumpin) trim tabs are a must.
Hope that makes sense... I'm in a hurry again. Embarrased

My feeling on "2-strokes" is highly prejudiced... you don't want to hear it (LOL) but in short, I'm sure the new ones are good as can get. I just flat don't like their "frequency" (sound) you know why peeps like Harleys and Big V-Twins. Aesthetics! But never mind that, you want the added weight if your going "trim-tabs"

Captains Cat · Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:26 pm Post subject:

The 90 ETEC may be lighter than the 4 Strokes but the 40/50/60 sure aren't. My 45 Honda 4's weigh about 202 each and the new ETEC in the 40/50/60 are all 235 each. I suppose it's the same block/accessories just detuned? If I were repowering now, which I may be in a year or two, I might consider the 50 or 60 ETEC in the twin configuration. The 3 year no maintenance sure sounds good...Plus the easy winterization, etc...

I could use a few extra pounds in my stern (the boat, folks, not the person Moon

) It might make the rainwater run to the well in the back vice into the cabin....

Comments?

Charlie

Redƒox · Guest

One more thought...
With 4-strokes you have more mechanical-moving-parts. With the new 2-strokes, you have more electronics ans sensors going on. I'll place my bet on the redundancy of a few more mechanical parts ---any day--- over the 2 strokes relying on more sensors and doodads.
"Maintenance" I switched to Mobil 1 total synthetic, and change oil only half as often. This summer after a lot of use on my 2000 Yamaha F-11 (4-stroke). I checked the valve-clearances and there was zero need for any adjustments!! Amazing!

Sawdust · Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject:

Wow! Between Catman and you jerking my chain I can't even watch the game!!!!

Your situation is just different, Greg. Ain't no folks going forward in my cabin when we are underway. Just me and a passenger. I like the boat light for economy -- cheap, cheap, cheap.

I've run and serviced two-strokes for years -- sort of a love/hate thing. The ONLY way you could get enough h.p. to get on plane was with a two-stroke. The new e-guy is a totally different kind of kitty (sorry, c.m.). Separate oiling system for the bearings, LESS oil in the pristine lake than a 4-stroke, and similar economy. That's what the literature sez - but we'll see. Looks good, sounds good, weighs less. Shux, if I wanted more weight aft I'd just throw my used Yamaha motor back there for ballast. Laughing

Hey good bud, come on down and we'll check it out together. Now that you are rich and famous you should get free travel!

Duster

Redƒox · Guest

OK Duster... ya made me log-in again! Disgust

Yeah, I'm always talkin' ultimate scenario stuff (as usual) Very Happy

You still ain't lost your touch to crack me up big Neutral

hehehe

I agree... C-Dory should be flyin my butt around about right now Shocked

boat show and all going on... Neutral

westward · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject:

Do any of the new E-Tec owners have real-world feedback yet? How about you, Les? My Johnson 70 is getting tired, especially with a full load. BTW, boating this past weekend was beautiful in the San Juans! Mike on Westward.

Sealife · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:01 pm Post subject:

Man, Red Fox is absolutely right. When I went from a single 2-stroke to twin 4-strokes, the handling difference was pronounced. The boat was a handful in following seas with only the light one engine, but with two heavier engines, the boat tracks like on rails, with no more yaw tendency. With any boat, you want to keep the bow light in a following sea, but a dory, which tends to float bow down at rest, needs to keep her bow up in a following sea, or she'll tend to dig her bow, and if the seas are quartering, will be pushed aside from the stern, causing a nasty yaw. The twins, with their heavier weight and greater directional drive, have completly solved the problem for Sealife.

Mike - Sealife