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Lucky Day
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 Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:04 pm Post subject: Handles or rails to ease going to foredeck |
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| Has anyone had experience enhancing the railings or adding new grab rails to assist getting from the sidedeck to the foredeck on a CD-25? There's a gap between the cabin top rail at windshield area and the bow pulpit rail. |
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Sea Wolf
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Lucky Day-
This is a problem on a lot of boats, not just the CD-25!
Add a handrail or handle or two to the top of the cabin trunk along side the forward hatch.
I'd use the same type of handrail used on the roof to make it blend in with the rest of the boat so it looks like original equipment.
Watch out for the danger's posed by the interior screws/bolts/ or nuts! They should not pose a hazard as "meat hooks" to passengers sleeping in the v-berth!
Acorn nuts are a good solution when possible as nuts, and round pan-head screws are pretty safe, especially with a phillips head.
Another alternative is to just go forward through the hatch to avoid the "no man's land' as much as possible.
One could tie a good tight rope between the forward part of the cabin top handrail and the bow pulpit as a temporary/makeshift hand-hold if you don't find the extra handhold useful very often.
Joe. 
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know if the new CD 25s have the forward roof rail, but the TomCats have a nice "port to starboard" forward roof rail.
If you are going into rough seas, I'd consider making up a set of sailboat style lifelines going from the cabintop side rails to the forward pulpit railing.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Lucky Day-
I have added 2 handles like those in the your cockpit. I bought them from the C-Cory factory, complete with the correct hardware to mount the on the outboard side of my windshields, forward. These have proven to be a nice safety aide, and I also use them for fender tie downs which I can reach from inside the cabin.
I also added 2 like handles to the inside of the head on each side of the door to help this ol' man get off the pot.
The pixs are on my Sea Angel gallery. Hope this helps. By the way, the factory price was much cheaper than any other source and the installation much cleaner. Just check out how your handles are mounted from inside of your cabin and head.
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Lucky Day
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Great ideas all! When I've got something rigged I'll post it. As always, thanks for the responses. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Thataway has railings on each side as you come out of the cockpit. There are the TC 255 railings which are factory. I will be adding both the aft side rails, and then one rail each side on the foreward part of the cabin trunk--that is probably on the agenda this week. They are almost necessary to have some extra hand holds going foreward in rough weather, or even in some smooth anchorages. One hand for the ship--the other for yourself. It is easy to bolt the extra railings thru the cabin top outside of the cabin sides. This area is not cored, as the top of the CD 25 and TC 255 are.
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Lucky Day
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Bob,
I'd guess that a high percentage of C-Dory owners are also of the "one hand for the ship--the other for yourself school" of being on boats. I know I am. I can't quite picture the setup you have described and how it would mount to a CD-25. Would you provide some more detail. Thanks. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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You mean something like these?
They are the same as the hand holds that are on the outside of the cabin as you step in. They are a great help getting forward.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| thataway wrote: | | They are almost necessary to have some extra hand holds going foreward in rough weather, or even in some smooth anchorages. |
What would you think about the idea of some sort of lifeline along the cabin top onto which you could clip a tether, which would be clipped to your pfd, like they use on sailboats?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Lori Ann wrote: | | thataway wrote: | | They are almost necessary to have some extra hand holds going foreward in rough weather, or even in some smooth anchorages. |
What would you think about the idea of some sort of lifeline along the cabin top onto which you could clip a tether, which would be clipped to your pfd, like they use on sailboats?
Warren |
That's more or less what I was suggesting above. but w/o the teather.
Two points:
1.) Suppose you DID fall overboard with the teather. Could you then rescue yourself with the teather or would you have to unclip and swim around to the swimstep anyway? Why need a teather if you have to unclip?
Seems to me you're not going forward underway, but only at rest. If you go forward underway with a teather, it might just drop you down and hold you under the boat to drown or for the prop to .................! I'd rather just fall overboard!
2.) If I did rig a hold-on life line (jackline really) between the hood/cabin top and the pulpit, I'd make it removeable so as not to pose a hazard/inconvenience when at the dock. A large diameter rope would be much more secure for your hands, maybe 1/2-5/8".
Other ideas?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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The foreward hand holds are 18" long (I believe the ones in the photo are 12") and I will be mounting them a bit further outboard and aft. These and the ones on the aft side of the cabin are the same ones on photo #79 in the Thataway Album: 
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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One reason for my tether suggestion is that I have noticed a substantial decrease in gripping strength when the handrails are wet.
Warren |
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Sea Wolf
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| Lori Ann wrote: | One reason for my tether suggestion is that I have noticed a substantial decrease in gripping strength when the handrails are wet.
Warren |
Warren-
I can understand your problem.
I think the handrail issue is accentuated by the very small size of the stainless tube used! It's probably only 7/8" tube, where the older wooden teak rails are at least 1-1/2 to 1 3/4' diameter!
So maybe a short teather would be good for you.
If I were you, I'd wrap the stainless tube with 1/4' or so rope with some fancy knobs, etc. Have you ever seen some of the old salt water fishing rods with the fancy marlinspike weaving on them?
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thataway
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| I would not use a tether going foreward--just go thru the hatch on the fore deck--in fact standing in the hatch, is very secure and if necessary you can pull out of the hatch onto the deck. There are too many problems with a tether. You want to have two attatchment points--the one would not slide easily, and there are risks of hanging the clip up. |
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Doryman
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| Sea Wolf wrote: | | If I were you, I'd wrap the stainless tube with 1/4' or so rope with some fancy knobs, etc. Have you ever seen some of the old salt water fishing rods with the fancy marlinspike weaving on them? |
I haven't seen those fishing rods, but I think the idea of wrapping the handrails with rope is cool. Not sure how it would be done, exactly, but it certainly would provide a better grip. 
Warren |
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