Should of gotten a Bayliner?

Tony · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: Should of gotten a Bayliner?

Three years old and BLISTERS...... Yep less than 9 months in the water ( fresh clean Lake Superior water) and there they are! Oh and the 10 year old bayliner sliped across from us has none. The owner of said boat got great enjoyment out of exclaiming how he has never waxed or bottom painted his hull ( he must not love his boat! ). But me I love my dory ..... Wax and polish her twice a year, protect her from scratches and bumps, hug her and tell her how much I care. And still BLISTERS Angry

Dealer says contact factory.... Factory says thanks for the pictures and then nothing for weeks. Lawyer says your boat could sink on launch and the warranty would not cover it. In fact he said he dose not believe the warranty will cover anything at all due to the way it is written. In fact he said C-dory must be owned by a great Lawyer. I said simply "GREAT!"

shipping it to the factory is not an option from northern Wisconsin. It would cost more than the repair.

Can I cry now? Cry

Any advice from the peanut gallery? ........ please help.
Thanks. Tony

P.S. there are photos in my untitled photo album

Alyssa Jean · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject:

Who at C-Dory did you send the pictures to. And who acknowledged receipt of them? C-Dory has always been quite responsive to problems when they happen. And they will happen, to C-Dory, Bayliner, and other boat builders.

I'll bet you hear from them with-in a week. And a quick flight to Wisconson to personally eyeball the problem and figure out how to fix it wouldn't surprise me.

Da Nag · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: Should of gotten a Bayliner?

Tony · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject:

It was Jeff that we contacted by phone and we also e-mailed the pictures to him.....

It just hurts to take a poke in the side from someone who owns a bayliner of all boats. Rolling Eyes

The head of the marina shop ( an old salt ) said you should expect this from 10 year old bayliners and wellcraft but that these are boats of less quality or at least less cost.
We got the c-dory with hopes of my son inheriting it when I die in 50 or so years. knock on wood. And with blisters after 3 years I wounder what the hull might be like in 20 years let alone 50.

New Hampshire Guy · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject:

Tony,
Although the customer service end of the C-Dory program is usually outstanding, the fact that you've involved a lawyer after "Weeks" may mean you've already chosen a course of action. If your tone was meant to convey frustration, we get it. The rest seems like just bad mouthing the company based on a delayed response, which you'll notice from the vast number of BRATS, we don't get. I don't know you Tony, but it SEEMS like your lawyer has really got you all worked up (which is a good way for him to get a paycheck) for no reason. You seem like a nice guy but for your Lawyer to say that C-Dory doesn't need to honor its warranty, well, THAT would be something to go to court over, IMHO. All the implications about C-Dory having great lawyers in no way equates to any lack of previous warranty response, for any non- C-Dory owners who are following this with interest. It does imply that Tony's lawyer got his degree from ITT Institute, which until this moment I didn't not know HAD a law program.

You have not been told C-Dory will not respond, you have had what "you" (or maybe your Lawyer) consider a slow response. It is more than fair to talk about that! I'm not sure why the dealer that sold you the boat did not handle this warranty claim and made you call the factory, you are welcome to talk about that too!

The "Good lawyers" talk, and the boat in danger of sinking, no need to honor the warranty, and all the other drama in the rest of your monologue contributes no information, and in fact gives an impression opposite to the C-Dory reputation.
The information I got from your msg is you've owned the boat for 3 years and the boat sat on the trailer for all but 9 months.
To throw some facts around, there is basically no history (that I could research on a Sunday) of the problem you are having. You spoke to the Vice President of the C-Dory company and I am confident you'll get a response. Try calling the VP of Bayliner and see how many "Weeks" you'll wait just to hear his voice.
I will also contact the factory Monday when they are open and make sure your msg on the Brats is seen by the factory reps.
I wish you luck and I'm confident you will get a response. I hope and expect you'll have a chance to enjoy your boat for at least the next 50 years, before turning it over to your son for his enjoyment.
And if you seek legal action, for C-Dory's sake, I hope you use the same lawyer you've previously quoted.
Fair Winds...

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Wefings · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject:

Id sure like to see one of those blisters opened up .........It would be interesting to know what barrier coat and bottom paint was used as well .....

Alok · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject:

I am planning to keep my boat in the water 95% of the time, so this thread is of great interest to me. A couple of questions to clarify the situation a bit:

1. Was an epoxy barrier applied under the bottom paint? If so, how many coats?

2. Does C-Dory have any specific instructions in their warranty about applying or not applying such a coat for boats that are mostly kept in the water?

Blistering is an osmotic process and boats in fresh water are felt to be more prone to blisters than those in salt water...

Butch · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: Blisters.... ouch...

Tony, it appears from the pictures the blisters are oriented at or below the line where the bottom paint was applied. If that's the case it would be neat if you could give us Brat's the information as to how the original gelcoat was prepared for the bottom paint, the technical names of anything that was applied to the hull in the order of application and the method of application (spray versus roller/brush). This information can be obtained from the manufacturer's Material Safety Data Sheet that can be obtained from the shop that did the work for you or if you did it yourself, from the marine store you purchased the materials.

As a chemist, it sure looks to me like it is some sort of systemic chemical reaction resulting from the use of incompatible cleaning/coating materials in conjunction with the hull materials or; an issue with the actual application, such as intermediate drying times, poor environmental conditions during the application, and or out of date shelf life of materials used.

Tony, this is of real interest to us Brat's and we will help you as much as we can, however, we need more info. Just curious, did your lawyer ask you these questions? If not and he digs up this info, you can bet he'll be on the clock and with his hand in your pocket. In any case Jeff will have to have this info to access damages and suggest a course of corrective action. best of luck! Butch

Tony · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject:

New hapshire
The lawyer, a friend of the family who was on vacation at our cabin when we found the blisters.... he help us to understand the legal mumbo jumbo in the warranty. I DID NOT SAY C-DORY DID NOT HONER THERE WARRANTY ! I just stated that the way it is written it has lots of holes in it. Have you read the warranty? Did you go to ITT to learn to be an %$^ or did you do that all on your own!
Oh hay that was not nice was it.
sorry .......

I did not and do not intend on smashing c-dory... As stated I love my boat! I had hoped that someone else had the same problems and it turned out to be nothing...

As far as bottom paint ...... why?

once you start you need to continue every year. Right? so it cost you each year.

there are many fiberglass boats in our marina that are more than 10 years old and have never been bottom painted and have no blisters.

I am not sure that this is even water intrusion...... it may be some freaky chemical reaction that will never get any worse. But as I stated hearing that someone who has been through this and what there out come was may ease my mind. This is why I posted my story not to smash C-Dory.

The bayliner thing ...... Got you attention didn't it. Xmas Naughty

FYI I would not own one if you gave it to me.

Dan and hampshire you go right ahead.... If blowing out my flame makes yours burn brighter..... Fine, I have big shoulders.

And just to be clear this is not something we would go to court over. We do not and did not intend on legale action. Besides you could fix it out of pocket cheaper than going to court for just a day.

So I am so sorry if I gave the wrong impression! Please forgive me fellow C-Brats. Regards Tony

Tony · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject:

Butch their is nothing but wax on the hull... No cleaners ( except boat wash and boat wax) no paint, just wash and wax twice a year. We were told this was all that was needed! Tony

Notice it is only in the green and only on the sides. The stern faces south in the slip and has no blisters.

dogon dory · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject:

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TyBoo · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject:

Well this is certainly a fun little discussion.

I was kind of wondering where the bottom paint conclusion came from. The reflection of the trailer on the hull seemed to rule bottom paint out. I think the coloring the pics show from the different angles tricks the eye into thinking some type of coating has been applied. But again, the reflection on the glass says it has only been waxed - and waxed well.

And yep - that looks like osmotic blistering. I don't know much about it but I believe the gelcoat porosity has a lot to do with its occurence. I don't think the dealer who replied is really a New Hamshire ass, but the engineer who replied was being a bit of a smart ass and could perhaps help the discussion a little further.

Tony · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject:

Dan ...... Thanks you had hurt my feeling... but it's better now. Its more like a bic lighter but I will keep it going!

Captains Cat · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject:

Now, now, everyone be nice. No need for name calling on any quarter.

Just looked at the pix. Odd that the "blisters" are only in the green bottom paint and right up to where the bottom paint ends. Does the boat sit EXACTLY on it's waterline? If it does, that would be odd. If it doesn't, and some of the green paint is up in the "air" and still has blisters, would look like a paint problem again. What kind of paint was used and what about a "barrier coat". I'm in salt water here, not sure if a barrier coat was used or not (I'm the second owner) and never had a blister, or other bottom related problem (with the boat at least!).

Have you punctured one of those "blisters"? Looks like it may be more of (or completely) a paint issue and not one of the gelcoat. Puncture one of them, I'm beting you'll find gelcoat intact underneath it.

Have toured the factory, they do all the boats "the same", it's very strange that you are the only one with a problem with this, it's the first I've heard about it.

I've had a Bayliner Smile

, you don't even want to joke about that.

Let us know what happens, bet the factory comes through for you too.

Charlie