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thataway



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:19 pm    Post subject: Sure glad we no longer have a C Dory Reply with quote

Just a few minutes ago, we had a direct lightning strike on one of the boat trailers parked on our lot. (Flash/bang-no delay, and Marie saw the strike). If we had a C Dory on the trailer, there would be a lot of damage. We will inspect the trailers in the morning.

Moral, do not every go out if lightning is within 30 miles. We have a lot of lightning strikes in Fl. There are always a few strikes which hit people on the beach, on a boat etc when there is even no rain, or other lightning strikes in the area!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! Talk about a contradiction of Title vs. Story! I am glad you didn't have a boat sitting on that trailer too!

I can only recall being near the boat when lightning was likely one time, and that was on the river so no escape would have been available. Around here there is usually some predicted wind with thunderstorms so being on the water isn't planned anyway. That one time though... anchored for sturgeon fishing when a squall came up the river and we stayed put. No visible lightning but hearing the thunder made me wish for minute we had stayed home. It passed quickly but was memorable.

Thanks for the reminder. I wish the trailer well and hope it survived.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there anything that can be done for a boat the size of a c-dory to protect from lightning while on the water, or perhaps mitigate the damage? Seems like not boating when lighting is within 30 miles would be the same thing as not boating at all in Florida...

I have to admit that I clicked on this thread expecting to hear from some disgruntled ex-cdory owner. Hopefully you will find no severe property damage in the morning.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thunder and Lightening

Thunder, loud and close, can be awesome, can be bone jarring and dramatic
But remember, it's lightening that does the work.

Sometimes, it seems one occurs without the other in your location. But thunder
always occurs with lightening. It causes thunder.

Between seeing lightening and hearing thunder is a time interval (TI).

This TI has given birth to "The 30 30 Rule":
* If the TI is < 30 seconds, seek shelter now
* Wait 30 minutes, or more, after hearing thunder to leave shelter

Then there's the "Lightening 5 Second Rule" to get the distance in miles to the
lightening: Divide the TI by 5
Example:
0 seconds - lightening too close, your goose may be cooked
5 seconds - lightening 1 mile away
30 seconds - lightening 6 miles away, etc

Don't mess with, disrespect or tempt Mother Nature, Grandpa used to say.

Aye.
PS: I once had a C-Dory and was as happy then as I am now.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TyBoo wrote:
Wow! Talk about a contradiction


Made you look! That is the purpose of a title after all CoolSmile

Credit to Bob for looking on the bright side of the situations that life puts us in.

Rob

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In September of 2021 we were anchored on the west coast of Vancouver Island in small bay in Nuchatlitz Inlet. We had spent the day exploring this gem of an area in our kayaks and were relaxing after dinner in the cabin. Far off to the west we saw a front coming in with lighting flashing against the dark sky. The wind picked up and it began to pour rain. We were happy to be warm and comfortable in the cabin of our C-Dory. The lighting was coming closer and due to the darkness and heavy rain all we could see were the flashes. Then all of a sudden there was a blinding flash followed almost instantly with a loud boom. It must have been right over us. Fortunately we were near a high bluff with a lot of big cedar trees. We survived this and other big storms including a couple of big lightning storms at Lake Powell. In a situation like this all you can really do is find a snug anchorage and hope for the best.

I've experienced a lot of big thunderstorms in my life. Where we live on the eastern foothills of the Rockies in Alberta there are lots of thunderstorms in the summer. My scariest experience was camping on a high ridge on a climbing trip many years ago. We were in a remote mountain group in the Purcell range in BC. We had a storm system that hung around us for five days off and on, dropping considerable snow on us, it was late August. During one of these storms there was also a flash-bang lighting strike. It lit up the inside of the REI McKinley tent with its single 7 foot aluminum pole supporting it. We were sure happy when the sun came out later that day.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

clayhubler wrote:
Is there anything that can be done for a boat the size of a c-dory to protect from lightning while on the water, or perhaps mitigate the damage?
I've been pondering this too and haven't decided what I might include in my restoration to address this. Here's some references I've collected...

https://www.proboat.com/2016/04/3530/
https://www.discoverboating.com/resources/lightning-proof-your-boat
http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t=5530&highlight=ground+plate

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul, thanks for posting the links. I am going to repost, and modify the replies I made on that thread.

We have been in a number of lightning storms in various boats. In the C Dory we would disconnect the electronics--antennas, grounds, transducers and posative and negitive power cables. Remember that lightning can come thru the water in a near by strike.

Anchor if at all possiable. Put antennas down. Stay away from any metal in the boat. A ground plate, lightning diffuser etc would do little if any good in a C Dory or TC.

We have had direct strikes on a boat with wooden masts and shrouds which were directly grounded to the water with chains--and the only damage (all electronics disconnected)--was to diodes in wind instruments. This mast was the tallest item in a cove in Yugoslavia, where a dozen or so sailboats were anchored. We had "St Elmo's Fire" in the rigging. There were over 60 strikes visible in this cove area in one hour!

Wikipedia paraphrased St Elmo's Fire::
Quote:
Luminous plasma is created by a corona discharge from a rod-like object such as a mast; An electric field around the affected object causes ionization of the air molecules, producing a faint glow easily visible in low-light conditions.
. This boat had a direct connection from the forestay to a bob stay into the water. All of the upper shrouds, were connected to a weldment at the masthead. The chain plates were notched so I could put 3/8 chains thru the notch and directly into the water. Same for triadic and mizzen mast rigging. We did not have any direct strikes, but lost some of the diodes in the wind instruments which are on top of the mast. Other boats in that cove had direct strikes.

On our Cal 46 boat, with 57 foot high aluminum mast, we had a fuzzy dissipator bolted to the masthead. At the base of the mast there was an aluminum weldment about12 feet long and 12" wide which I tied to the internal lead ballast (capacitance connection), direct copper tubing bolted to a 1 sq foot plate of copper outside the hull, from the base of the mast.---There was a direct strike to a power boat's VHF antenna, about 50 feet away. A lobe came thru the water, and took out the diodes in the alternator and regulator of the Cal 46. This allowed the battery charger to be continuously discharging thru the bonded metal under water. When we got back with out "new" trawler in about a week, the 24" x 24" prop had about 50% of its mass destroyed. The prop shaft was destroyed, as was the rudder shaft (3" thick wall aluminum pipe) and all thru hulls. My 65' hight Ham Radio Tower was about 75 feet from the sailboat, and directly grounded. (about 12 feet above the water level, so that tower was about 20 feet taller than the sailboat mast and it sustained no damage.)

The buyer of the Cal 46 had 2 more major lightning strikes with extensive damage in South Florida during the 20 years he owned and full time cruised the boat. I don't know if he had modified the "Lightning protection"

There are anumber of good web articles on lightning--espicially those by University of Florida.

I have been hit by very small lobes from lightning strikes 3 times. The first was when I was In 4th grade in Calif standing next to a window. A lightning strike hit an object on the nearby playground and jumped to a very small lobe thru the window. The second was when back packing in the Sierra, and there was a strike to a tree nearby. The last one we were on a friend's trawler--and on the flying bridge. I told the skipper we should shut down and get below in a very bad lightening storm. His response was to get as close to a sailboat going the same direction...I mean only a few feet from his bow to the sailboat's stern... (I was hiding out of embarrassment)
A strike hit the sailboat mast--and all sorts of bad things happened to this boat--fortunately we didn't run it over when the sailboat engine stopped...

A lobe of this strike hit the Bimini frame next to me, and a small arch jumped to my shoulder and then to Marie who was sitting next to me. No damage to either of us. But the skipper got the message--and we went below and drifted until the storm was over...

A direct strike will cause burning in multiple patterns on a person. Clothing can burst into flame, cardiac arrest, brain damage and instant death may occur (some patients can be resuscitated--so CPR is always indicatedI).

For several years I was in charge of "safety" during regattas at Pensacola Yacht club. In events such as the Optimus Pram national championships, we had 20 safety boats plus a number of race committee and coaching boats. All of the power boats had vhf radios where we could relay safety messages. This is where we used th 30 mile rule. We had a source of direct weather information at NAS Pensacola weather / Control Tower. We had one of the air traffic controllers at PNS airport, And we had one person who was continuously watching weather channels which showed lightning strikes, plus a sport fisher with his 72 mile radar constantly monitored. If we had any lightning within 30 miles, we immediately began to get the racers off the water.[/b]

Be careful and be safe. No visible damage to the trailers. I believe what we saw was a lobe to the ground, and the primary strike to a Safety light in the neighbor's back yard. She had the light vaporized, plus it took out one sub panel of her house electrical system. The rest of her lights worked. But, I suggested that she have an electrician inspect and test all of the circuit breakers. The wiring to the security light, and light will have to be replaced, plus the burned breakers. She was lucky--at the time of the strike, she was sitting on her back porch with friends, and was not injured.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"St Elmo's Fire"


Saw more of it than I cared to during my airline flying days. Actually, it was better than the smell of ozone or the glow on the forward nose cone! OTOH, pretty neat to watch. For a better description of St. Elmo's fire, think of those science experiments where you have streaks of electricity dancing inside a glass dome. Cool [/quote]
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My most and only lightning scare was with a Church youth group. We were on the west end of Hurricane Ridge, good weather until - suddenly a lighting cloud was above us and active. The wind took it back and forth across the ridge 3 or 4 times, flashing about once every 5 minutes and close. There were no tall trees the get away from, and I was unsure what we should do.

We went as far down one side as was safe, hunkered down, and sat low to the ground. Over as quickly as it started, sunny and clear.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Bob,

Be aware that any nearby (even indirect) lightning strike EMP can fry all our delicate electronics like cell phones, VHF HH, etc.

You can protect them in any ‘Faraday Cage’ like a metal closed tool box, ammo box, cheap electronic safe (we use a $48 Amazon with a mechanical key backup), Microwave, aluminum foil, etc.

Think of this ahead of any thunder so you can call for help if you are sinking or have suffered any injuries aboard in a thunderstorm. Otherwise you are hurt and sinking and can not call out for help for anyone! Don’t be that crew!

Hope this helps if you haven’t already considered the possibility…

John
from the Gulf Coast of Florida, the Lightning Strike Capital of the Entire US.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must just be me and my family. but a lighting storm coming is an excuse to sit out side and watch the show. Texas was great for that. House sat on a long ridge with a view north for 100 miles. If we heard a big storm coming we would have dinner on the back deck and watch the show roll by. When we moved to the sierras it was always a thrill to have a summer storm come thru popping the tops off trees right in our camp or across the lake. Susan grew up the same way. Just love those big dry lighting storms.
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Must just be me and my family. but a lighting storm coming is an excuse to sit out side and watch the show. Texas was great for that. House sat on a long ridge with a view north for 100 miles. If we heard a big storm coming we would have dinner on the back deck and watch the show roll by. When we moved to the sierras it was always a thrill to have a summer storm come thru popping the tops off trees right in our camp or across the lake. Susan grew up the same way. Just love those big dry lighting storms.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can protect them in any ‘Faraday Cage’ like a metal closed tool box, ammo box, cheap electronic safe (we use a $48 Amazon with a mechanical key backup), Microwave, aluminum foil, etc.


Yes on the boat we took to Europe was pre GPS, and we had Sat Nav (fix about every 6 hour on average,) Loran C and Omega navigation (plus the. sextant). Even back then we kept a hand held VHF in a ammo box.. When GPS came along we kept a hand held GPS and the VHF in the ammo box.

We were hailed by a freighter which had sustained a lightning strike and the had the hand held VHF in a Faraday Cage, but no other navigation system to back up. He needed a position fill.

As it turns out our neighbor and friends were sitting out on their back porch which is screened in. She has found out many more items in the house which were damaged by the strike
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