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colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Posts: 4957 City/Region: Madison
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Traveler
Photos: C-Traveler and Midnight-Flyer
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I have not heard of a fatality involving a capsized C-Dory before. Is this an unwelcome first? Tragic. |
Martin, I just found this thread from a few years back.
http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t=12469 |
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davidJ
Joined: 01 Aug 2016 Posts: 40 City/Region: Anacortes
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 19 Angler
Vessel Name: E-Z Rider
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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It looks like the person that called in the report said that it was a C Dory and maybe it is, but if it is, then I would say that the picture they are showing us is a generic file picture of a upside down boat. The floatation in a C Dory doesn't start until you get in front of the gas tanks and most of it is under the V berths, |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 21469 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Tragic to have loss of life. If this is a C Dory (and no reason to doubt that despite the photo.), it would be the first loss of life that I am aware of. The 3 (counting this one) C Dorys which rolled were in near shore and shoal areas, with apparently large seas running. There is a document of a 25 which was swamped by stern to waves due to fouling of prop and anchor rode.
There are few boats which will survive rolling in surf--big waves. The 22's are not self bailing, and a heavy wave into the cockpit will swamp the boat. The boats are light and will rise very rapidly with stern seas normally.
The life jacket issues are valid. We rarely wear life jackets in the cabin...on the other hand we have never been in conditions in the c Dory which were threatening enough to cause capsize or rolling. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12637 City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Gary and Colleen, your video going in across the bar shows the tip of the North Jetty I think.
The one “Crossing the Yaquina River Bar, 6/29/20” I believe shows the area where that Area D breaker line is, (Just right at the end) and it is in the 1 mile range where some of the breakers are busting on the shallows. That could do serious mayhem.
Kudo’s to you who cross that bar. May it be like flying, “every takeoff should have an equally successful landing”.
Please correct me if I’m wrong here. It has been a while since I was there.
Stay safe out there.
Harvey
SleepyC
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Karl Konecny
Joined: 09 May 2019 Posts: 105 City/Region: Glide
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Nowhere Fast
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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What a tragedy. I looked at the data from the Newport buoy and the swell was over 10' that morning. _________________ "Believe me my young friend, there is nothing-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing around in boats."
Rat to Mole, Wind in the Willows |
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chromer
Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Posts: 958 City/Region: Anacortes
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 19 Angler
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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hardee wrote: | [Getting the door open, or sliding a window is not likely until the water pressures equilibrate. |
Alas! something positive about the 19 with the open bulkhead. _________________
Checkpoint II (SOLD 10/2020)
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Capn Jack
Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 526 City/Region: La Conner
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1988
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: Pocket Yacht
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:00 pm Post subject: Up side down C-Dory |
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Odd that there is no motor visible. A 22' C-Dory would have the motor bolted onto the transum. |
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colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Posts: 4957 City/Region: Madison
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Traveler
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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My thought is as someone else earlier mentioned, the photo may very well be a stock photo the media uses. It wouldn't be the first time... |
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DayBreak
Joined: 16 Jul 2017 Posts: 1023 City/Region: Monmouth, Or.
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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hardee wrote: | Gary and Colleen, your video going in across the bar shows the tip of the North Jetty I think.
The one “Crossing the Yaquina River Bar, 6/29/20” I believe shows the area where that Area D breaker line is, (Just right at the end) and it is in the 1 mile range where some of the breakers are busting on the shallows. That could do serious mayhem.
Harvey
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Hi Harvey. You are correct. Our video shows the tip of the north jetty upon entering the Yaquina. We have seen many vessels take a short cut and start their entry for the Yaquina by crossing through the north reefs enroute for the Yaquina between this north jetty and buoy #3. The Captains making this choice do so out of convenience. It is a bad habit, poor choice and is foolish. It is really unknown as to what really took place for things to go wrong which led to this fatality. My hope for all mariners in doing this crossing is that they follow the specific Coast Guard recommendations miles out before they make their approach. Gary. _________________ Gary F
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012 Posts: 3580 City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SoBELLE
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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colbysmith wrote: | My thought is as someone else earlier mentioned, the photo may very well be a stock photo the media uses. It wouldn't be the first time... |
Wouldn't be the first time the make of vehicle reported in an accident was wrong either. |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12637 City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
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Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:02 am Post subject: |
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ssobol wrote: | colbysmith wrote: | My thought is as someone else earlier mentioned, the photo may very well be a stock photo the media uses. It wouldn't be the first time... |
Wouldn't be the first time the make of vehicle reported in an accident was wrong either. |
Just looking back over this. The hull shape does look like a C-Dory (look at where the bottom color is in relation to where the strake line on the bow is), and the hull does flatten going aft.
Also, USCG does photo every rescue. I would guess, and true, that is all that it is, but that was a tweet, and that info on the rescue most likely came initially from the USCG with the photo. I don't think the CG is in the habit of sending out info with "stock" images.
As to the "no outboard" showing, Could it have tipped to the UP position with the boat upside down, either in that position or in the process of getting to upside down?
I placed a call to the reporter from the Statesman. Will see if I get any response there, and if I do I will post it here.
Harvey
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Roamad
Joined: 20 Jul 2021 Posts: 105 City/Region: Sacramento
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C-Dory Model: 22 Classic
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Another_cdory
Joined: 18 May 2017 Posts: 17 City/Region: Spokane Valley
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012 Posts: 3580 City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Those boats have a flat bottom all the way to the bow. There is no vee in the bottom. |
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Pat Anderson
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 8556 City/Region: Birch Bay, WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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We have been in some relatively big waves, most notably when going from Portage, Indiana, to Chicago on Lake Michigan. By our standards, it was a "no go" day but we went anyway. We were uncomfortable but never felt unsafe. The moral for me I guess is stay away reefs and bars in the ocean at the mouth of a river. Remember this photo of the C-Dory at the Columbia River bar?
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DAYDREAM - CD25 Cruiser
CRABBY LOU - CD16 Angler (sold 2020)
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http://daydreamsloop.blogspot.com
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