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Hunkydory



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard, thanks again.

Jay

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are welcome Jay. I am very much enjoying the conversation and learning a great deal. I believe Americans and Canadians have a great deal of ingenuity when it comes to figuring out how to make things work in difficult times. Not beat the system or break the law but rather think through the limitations and provide solutions.

When I was a teenager I used to do yard care for an elderly couple in their mid 80’s. He would tell stories of his adventures when he was a young man traveling to Alaska. When he was 19 yrs old which would have been about 1912, he took a combination of steamers and open skiff from WA to Skagway. Can you imagine the challenges then to get to AK. I regret not hearing more about his adventures.

That’s what we need today, less news and politics and more conversation about the spirit of adventure and overcoming challenges.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newmoon,

So we make it through BC and into Ketchikan. Now, are we considered "international" arrivals into US and have to provide a negative Covid test?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chromer wrote:
Newmoon,

So we make it through BC and into Ketchikan. Now, are we considered "international" arrivals into US and have to provide a negative Covid test?


Most likely you would have a negative COVID Test to go thru BC, at this time. You were only sojourners and didn't stop or make contact (the fueling should not be treated as a stop in an another nation.

To be sure--call Customs and Border in AK.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want Newmoon's opinion
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Chromer,

Look at this web site for Alaska's rules:

https://covid19.alaska.gov/travelers/

It seems we would need to arrive AK with proof of a negative test (probably fairly recent - have not looked at that yet), or pay $250 to get one on arrival, and self-quarantine until the result comes back.

My guess is that by summer proof of vaccination might help, or may be required.

AK also wants a travel declaration and self-isolation plan. I have not yet looked at what exactly the travel declaration is.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NewMoon wrote:
Hi Jay,

Bella Bella is very much a First Nations place. It's a sizable town, pop about 2,000 IIRC, with an airport, on Campbell Island. Shearwater is mainly just a marina on Denny Island, with little population. Both have fuel and water, though in dry years Shearwater sometimes has very little potable water to spare. If you stop for fuel and want to stay overnight, there's a protected anchorage called Kakushdish just east of Shearwater.

Jay, if you decide to do the Inside Passage through BC, let me know. Can't party down together, but we might anchor in the same cove!

Also, search for posts about rounding Cape Caution, or shoot me a message.


Richard, I will plan on fueling at Shearwater & might use the nearby anchorage.

If the land route stays shut & this open it will become our plan to do the BC water route to Alaska with first making the Friday Harbor Gathering, then leaving from Jones Island shortly after. In past years when planning to do the Inland Passage from the San Juans, I purchased a cruising guide & good maps covering the entire stretch from the San Juans to Prince Rupert with routes made & anchorages planned. This trip would entail a somewhat different route & anchorages then planned before, but will be interesting & fun to plan again. We have made the Dixon crossing & have good information on it, but would be glad to receive anything more on it & especially Cape Caution along with your preferred anchorages, knowing you are very familiar with this transit & extremely experienced in cruising the PNW waters.

Jay
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Jay,

Sent you an email.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just an update from the north side of the border. The Canadian Government just tightened the rules for entry of international travellers via land and air crossings. I haven't researched the water entry rules, but I assume they have or will be tightened again. The basics now are that you have to provide a negative Covid test with results in the past 72 hours before you can cross the border. Make sure it is the right kind of test as some tests are rejected. The restrictions feel like they are changing by the day and will get tougher before they get easier.

Another consideration will getting fuel in native villages. Last year some of the villages closed their harbours to anyone from out of the community and some may continue this practice. I plan to try and avoid these locations as much as possible if I am able to cruise this summer. If I do need to refuel in a native port, I will make sure that I call before I launch to ensure that I can get fuel there. A number of the First Nations here in Alberta are completely closed to outside visitors and have blockades at the entrances to their land.

I hope that you are able to find a way north this summer.

P.S. New Zealand which locked down hard and early just hosted a huge music festival with 30,000 people in the stadium yesterday and currently they are averaging only 2 new cases per day.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter & Judy wrote:
Just an update from the north side of the border. The Canadian Government just tightened the rules for entry of international travellers via land and air crossings. I haven't researched the water entry rules, but I assume they have or will be tightened again. The basics now are that you have to provide a negative Covid test with results in the past 72 hours before you can cross the border. Make sure it is the right kind of test as some tests are rejected. The restrictions feel like they are changing by the day and will get tougher before they get easier.

Another consideration will getting fuel in native villages. Last year some of the villages closed their harbours to anyone from out of the community and some may continue this practice. I plan to try and avoid these locations as much as possible if I am able to cruise this summer. If I do need to refuel in a native port, I will make sure that I call before I launch to ensure that I can get fuel there. A number of the First Nations here in Alberta are completely closed to outside visitors and have blockades at the entrances to their land.

I hope that you are able to find a way north this summer.

P.S. New Zealand which locked down hard and early just hosted a huge music festival with 30,000 people in the stadium yesterday and currently they are averaging only 2 new cases per day.


I been working with some Canadian nationals in the US recently. Even for them, getting back into Canada is a big hassle. Last I heard you had to have two negative tests from two different kinds of tests and then you still have to quarantine in a facility that'll cost you about $2K. As a result, they only go back to Canada when they absolutely have to.

Yes, one of their complaints is that the rules keep changing.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Associated Press just reported Alaska no longer requiring COVID test upon entry. In Alaska, Wyoming & most of the US new covid19 cases are dropping dramatically. That’s good news for a change & even better for JoLee & I, we get our 2nd vaccine shot in 2 days.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bringing this thread back to the top, as Kel and I are making plans for a trip to Alaska this year. I've taken a sabbatical from work this year, so the timing is best for us assuming Canada's rules for transit via water remain relatively unchanged. Thanks for all the excellent and practical information.

Jay and Richard, we'll be starting out some time in June, so you'll be ahead of us. I would really appreciate updates as you (and others) prepare and embark. I'll continue to monitor Canada's sites for updated information.

My initial plans include checking in at Nanaimo, where we'd also top off with fuel. We can then run on plane when conditions allow with expected stops in Port McNeill, Shearwater, and Prince Rupert.

One area I found confusing was the "small vessel reporting sites" (https://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/do-rb/openpoe-temp-pdeouvert/marine-maritime-eng.html). Do we need to report at a "CBSA staffed marine port of entry where private pleasure craft MUST report directly" (DRS/M) or can it be one of the "marine port of entry at which private pleasure craft operators may report by telephone" (TRS/M)? There are no DRS/M locations listed in BC.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Les,

Your timing for questions is good. Just a few minutes ago I spoke with CBSA in Sidney BC, to verify my understanding of the "Transit through Canadian waters" rules. No surprises, except that I do need to fill out the info requested by the ArriveCAN app. And submit my written travel plan too, showing likely anchorages and fuel stops.

I'll check in at Sidney. Can't anchor before checking in, so Sidney works for me traveling at 7 knots.

A negative COVID test is not reqd.

Stopping for fuel/water at a place declared as a possibility in my written plan is fine, no additional call-in reqd (unless I have to make an unplanned stop).

No shore trips other than the fuel stops. No wandering around sightseeing. No tying up to other boats. No fishing.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Les,

I just went through the ArriveCAN app. It's no sweat, except that it wants to know BC address where I will be quarantining - not just "on my boat". The CBSA agent said to enter the address of the marina where I check into BC.

The reporting sites for small vessels are listed on this web page:

https://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/do-rb/openpoe-temp-pdeouvert/marine-maritime-eng.html

You can sort by province - there are lots in BC. Not sure why Sidney is shown as TRS, though there is a phone on the customs dock. CBSA has an office in the marina office building, if I recall correctly. The agent I spoke with today thought checking in at Sidney was fine, and said someone would come to the boat.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard,
Thanks very much for these latest details.

I loaded the ArriveCAN app and setup an account without issue. I'll need to add my details as our schedule firms up.

Thanks for confirming that the TRS stations like Sydney are acceptable for initial reporting. It may make sense for us to enter via Sydney as well.

Les
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