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crazy4salmon
Joined: 29 Mar 2009
Posts: 65
City/Region: Bellingham
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: C-Therapy
Photos: C-Therapy
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 Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 7:15 pm Post subject: C-Dory years to avoid? |
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I am in the market for a 22' Angler and all the balsa rot stories have me with some cold feet. I really don't want to deal with rot and may look into a different brand of boat that is all fiberglass. Are there good years of C-dory's to look for? Or can rot be an issue with most of them?
Thanks for your time. Tight Lines. |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003
Posts: 21479
City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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The answer is no. The factors most likely to cause a problem is a boat kept outdoors in an environment where the boat is not covered in the winter, gets water in the cockpit, and then subjected to freeze thaw cycles.
The second factor is if there are penetrations in the core where water goes in thru a screw hole--most of those are boats where the fuel tanks have several screws holding down the fuel tank, and there is water left standing. A boat which has been covered, trailer kept or in mild dry climates is far less likely to have any core problems.
Right now there are several boats undergoing restoration from a wet core--the worse one I have ever seen is the 12 year old boat, and there is a bout 28 year old boat both of which were kept in AK, out of doors. I had a 25 with cockpit core issues (the 25 has a cockpit floor over the fuel tank). The hull was fine. But the boat sat out in 2 New Jersy winters, with no cover. Then a heavy person jumped onto the cockpit broke the fiberglass near a hatch, and then sat out another winter. That boat had also been abused badly. $3000 worth of materials, and the boat was as good as new--transom was fine, and boat bottom was fine--the cockpit was rebuilt using Nadicore.--a honeycomb plastic core material, with fiberglass mat scrim.
Balsa has some real advantages of shear load resistance, and compression over some of the foams and other core materials. If properly encapsulated it lasts many years. Look at the number of 20 to 40 year old C Dorys with zero major issues!
A good survey will find the problems. Some surveyors are better than others: tools, phenolic hammer, moisture meter and in some cases FLIR imaging. Ultrasound plays a role, but few surveyors are skilled in this technology.
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Thataway
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006
Posts: 12637
City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
Photos: SleepyC
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 12:51 am Post subject: |
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The best bet, Be careful which boat you get. It is not the year of the boat but how it has been taken care of since it's inception. But, with a C-Dory, you get a great design concept, and economical boat to operate, and you get this great community where you can learn about the boats, your boat, and all the rest of the C-Dory info here.
Best in your search.
Harvey
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crazy4salmon
Joined: 29 Mar 2009
Posts: 65
City/Region: Bellingham
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: C-Therapy
Photos: C-Therapy
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies. I assumed that would be the answer. I have owned a few Whalers and you always have to keep an eye out for water intrusion. No different with the C-dory's. Instead of the boat weighing twice its original, you end up with rot.
Had just heard from a local boat yard that there are some years to avoid, but must have been boats that weren't taken care of properly.
I knew that I would get a good answer from the best boating community around. Cant wait to official join and stop lerking C-doryless.
22' Angler or 23' Venture. I fish more than I camp but may do more camping in the near future. Still trying to decide, but I have time and will wait for the right boat and deal.
Thanks for your time.
Dan L |
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markm
Joined: 09 Jan 2020
Posts: 19
City/Region: Clinton
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Otter
Photos: Otter
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| crazy4salmon wrote: |
22' Angler or 23' Venture. I fish more than I camp but may do more camping in the near future. Still trying to decide, but I have time and will wait for the right boat and deal.
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I keep thinking the perfect boat would be a 25 Angler. 22 cruiser cabin with 3 more feet in the cockpit |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003
Posts: 21479
City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
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| markm wrote: |
I keep thinking the perfect boat would be a 25 Angler. 22 cruiser cabin with 3 more feet in the cockpit |
There is at least one member who is adding 2 or 3 feet to his boat near the middle. --There is also the option to add an outboard bracket (with floatation) and loose the splash well, make a high transom. There was one boat which added hull extensions on each side--but didn't really gain any cockpit room. A boat which had been damaged would be ideal for this. |
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crazy4salmon
Joined: 29 Mar 2009
Posts: 65
City/Region: Bellingham
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: C-Therapy
Photos: C-Therapy
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| Those all sound great to me. That is quit the project Tom. Can't wait to see that finished. Will be a one of a kind Beauty! I like the idea of a full transom and an outboard bracket. You would end up with a 24 footer and an eight foot long cockpit. Lots of fishing and lounging room. |
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westward
Joined: 18 Feb 2005
Posts: 718
City/Region: Seattle
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1985
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: TBD
Photos: Steady Eddy
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| The C-Dory factory output and ownership chain did undergo lots of fluctuation between ~ 2007 and 2012. Some extra QC issues occurred during these years. Not really sure if this included core issues. From what I've heard and seen at recent boat shows, the current factory puts out the best C-Dory boats ever. Good luck in your search. |
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tomherrick
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crazy4salmon, it'll be 28'...  |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003
Posts: 21479
City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| westward wrote: | | The C-Dory factory output and ownership chain did undergo lots of fluctuation between ~ 2007 and 2012. Some extra QC issues occurred during these years. Not really sure if this included core issues. From what I've heard and seen at recent boat shows, the current factory puts out the best C-Dory boats ever. Good luck in your search. |
There were some "quality control' issues from 2002 to some point where the current owners took over...But most of these were addressed by the owners thru the years. I had a number of these in my 2006 Tom Cat. I elected to fix them myself, because I felt I could do a better job than the local dealer. But they were issues like wrong size crimps on wiring, didn't hook up the shower pump properly, so the show drain was undone, and the shower drained into the bilge...No caulking around the top where it was tabbed onto the sides...
Where there could be issues are situations where there was not good procedure used with connecting bulkheads to the hull--called tabbing. This should keep water out of the cabin--I have seen some boats where this failed, or was not done properly. It can be fixed fairly easily--and should not cause core issues. Again back to my comment about a good survey.
On the other hand many boat builders have all of the same issues--it us just that few of them have 99% of the boats built still being used 30 to 40 years later. I have done "surveys" (I am not a credentialed surveyor) on several very popular manufacturers new boats, where there were a number of very major structural issues. This is very unfortunate. But boats are not like cars--where you buy a new truck, you expect it to be perfect. I agree that you shoul"d have that experience. But spend a few years. on "The Hull Truth Forum, and you will find out differently!. |
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