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curioustraveler
Joined: 26 Apr 2019 Posts: 211 City/Region: Annapolis
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:50 pm Post subject: Suzuki vs E-tec |
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Hello C-Brats.
Assuming all else is equal, boats are in the same condition (19), similar maintenance history, and I have a dealer nearby that services both, what would you go with?
2006 Suzuki 4 stroke 90 or 2008 E-tec? The Evinrude is several thousand more but it's a couple years newer boat and motor - also has a permatrim.
This is for recreational cruising. Not really concerned with top speed or getting on plane a couple seconds quicker. Of upmost importance is reliability and ease (cost) of maintenance.
Thanks. |
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tsturm
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 1134 City/Region: Soldotna
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: Suzuki vs E-tec |
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curioustraveler wrote: | Hello C-Brats.
Assuming all else is equal, boats are in the same condition (19), similar maintenance history, and I have a dealer nearby that services both, what would you go with?
2006 Suzuki 4 stroke 90 or 2008 E-tec? The Evinrude is several thousand more but it's a couple years newer boat and motor - also has a permatrim.
This is for recreational cruising. Not really concerned with top speed or getting on plane a couple seconds quicker. Of upmost importance is reliability and ease (cost) of maintenance.
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The first gen. E-tec's were not very good motors. The new series E-tec are great. I would go with the Suzuki over the 2008 e-tec. |
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curioustraveler
Joined: 26 Apr 2019 Posts: 211 City/Region: Annapolis
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Tsturm, I know the early e-Tec's had issues. I walked away from a boat that had a 2000 E-tec. Don't know when they started improving though. |
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Salmon Fisher
Joined: 07 Aug 2009 Posts: 810 City/Region: Arlington
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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You might want to read this discussion from another C Brat's experience with the year model of Suzuki you are looking at:
http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t=24647
For the ETEC, I have heard others not like them as they are noisier and like the other reply posted, the first generation had some problems.
For what it's worth anyway, glad you're being picky. _________________ Patrick and Kim Walker
2004 25 Cruiser-Present
2000 22 Cruiser 2009-2014 (Sold)
2006 25 Cruiser 2014-2019 (Sold)
1985 22 Classic -2019 (Sold)
1991 19 Arima Sea Ranger-2019-2021 (Sold)
2015 27 Ranger Tug-2019-2023 (Sold)
1987 22 Cruiser -2021-2023 (Sold)
Honey, this REALLY will be my last boat, honest! |
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Robert H. Wilkinson
Joined: 26 Jan 2011 Posts: 1235 City/Region: Port Ryerse
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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For the Suzuki guys/gals in our group this might be of interest - https://www.facebook.com/BridgeYachts/posts/2709475609105509 .
A friend of mine is introducing the new 2020 Suzuki duoprop outboard at the Toronto Boat Show. Unfortunately I only see them in the 300 and 350hp models. In the smaller hp range Suzuki has the ability to reverse one engine with twins.
Regards,
Rob _________________ Talk to me and I will listen-- but if its not about boats or fishing all I will hear is bla,bla,bla,yada,yada,zzzzzzzz |
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curioustraveler
Joined: 26 Apr 2019 Posts: 211 City/Region: Annapolis
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Salmon Fisher,
I wonder if that's something I could have a surveyor look for? Honestly though, I'm expecting possible problems with any engine. It's one of the reasons I keep coming back to C-Dory's. If/when I have to repower, it'll be much less money than replacing a 150 or 200 on the back of most walk-a-rounds. |
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jkswor
Joined: 23 Jun 2011 Posts: 148 City/Region: tok
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:00 am Post subject: |
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I bought a 25 cdory in 2017. Had 2 2007 90 hp etec s on it. Only issue I had was one fuel injector fail. Had all 6 injectors cleaned by fuel injector man in Naples fl. Last month. So shouldn’t have any more issues. So I’ve been told the 07s are good motors if maintained. Have served me well
They are lighter than others and have a lot of power.
There is an etec owners group or forum which is very helpful |
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Salmon Fisher
Joined: 07 Aug 2009 Posts: 810 City/Region: Arlington
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:49 am Post subject: |
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There is a history of Suzuki corrosion failures in the year range. Might want to Google it. |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20818 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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The Suzuki corrosion problem is that they used a steel plug in an aluminum casting. That was corrected from 2008 on. Many of the pre 2008 motors had that plug replaced and are Fine. If they have been used extensively in salt water and not well rinsed after each use, the plug and surround may be so corroded that it cannot be replaced. I am aware of some of these areas which have been repaired by a good welder.
I would want to have the engine checked by a good mechanic. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
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curioustraveler
Joined: 26 Apr 2019 Posts: 211 City/Region: Annapolis
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks everyone. I just called the broker. The boat's been maintained by a professional shop so I'll check with them and also have the engine looked over again if I decide to move forward with this one.
Any more thoughts on an E-tec? |
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DavidM
Joined: 24 Dec 2017 Posts: 196 City/Region: Punta Gorda
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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This is what I know about the Etecs:
The original two stroke alternative to the four strokes was the Fitch motor developed by Evinrude. That was a disaster. Evinrude solved most of the Fitch's problems and came out with the Etecs. These were reasonably successful and competed well with contemporary 4 strokes. They were noisier and burned more fuel than the 4 strokes but being a 2 stroke they were somewhat lighter and had great hole shot torque.
In recent years Evinrude came out with the Gen 2 Etecs, but only for 150+ hp engines. The G2s were a significant improvement and compete with the best 4 strokes on fuel economy. They still are a bit noisier, but by a few dB- not so much and probably not even noticeable. Maintenance requirements are particularly simple- no oil changes for example, just add oil every 200 hours or so.
Unfortunately after years of promises there is no immediate hope of a G2 115 hp engine or less.
So the Etec you are considering is a bit newer than the Suzuki and maybe enough to offset its weaknesses....or not, and then you have the corrosion problems of the Suzuki discussed above..
David |
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BillE
Joined: 09 Jun 2016 Posts: 283 City/Region: Nashville
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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David, Evinrude has recently done just that, released a G2 3-cylinder at 115, 140, and 150hp. I have no experience with these motors but do a search and you will find lots of online discussion about the new series. _________________ Bill & Sherry C-25 sold 2020, next? |
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cmetzenberg
Joined: 04 Jan 2014 Posts: 367 City/Region: Santa Barbara
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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had an etec on my old whaler. ran like a bat out of hell. Their a really fine tuned engine. They'll either run or they wont. They don't like running at low speed so if you do a bunch of trolling this isn't the one for you. The Seattle fire department hates theirs cause of how much slow putting they do... lots of issues. _________________ Conrad Metzenberg
07' Tomcat 255 "Kanaloa"
87' Boston Whaler Guardian 17 (BlackFlag, 03-14)
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davidjm
Joined: 21 Jan 2020 Posts: 1 City/Region: Anacortes
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:35 am Post subject: |
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I have a C Dory 19 with an E-tec 90 0n it, and a Macgregor with a Suzuki 70 4 cylinder, same block as the 90.
The Suzuki is much quieter than the E-tec, but weighs a lot more than the E -tec. If the motor your looking at is one of the ones that has the corrosion problems, then that's a deal breaker for sure.
My 2006 E-Tec has about 700 hours on it and I have spent about $5000 on maintance and repairs over the last 12 years. Boating can be expensive. I like the E-tec because it is about 50 lbs. lighter than the Suzuki and lighter is much better on the CD 19. I have my motor set to the 100 to 1 oil setting for synthetic oil, and about one half of my hours are at trolling speed, it doesn't smoke, but I change my plugs about every 75 hours. The end of the plugs burndown and when the gap gets to big the engine will start to run a
bit ruff.
I love my CD 19 Angler and use it all the time for fishing, crabbing, and shrimping in the San Juan islands, but why are you wanting to buy a fishing boat to do recreational cruising. I know some people do use the 19's and 16,s for cruising, but a CD 22 cruiser would probably work twice as well for cruising as a CD 19 Angler. |
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curioustraveler
Joined: 26 Apr 2019 Posts: 211 City/Region: Annapolis
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:50 am Post subject: |
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David,
How's your luck been with the Suzuki?
You're correct...the 22 is a better boat for cruising. We have specific reasons we're looking for a 19 though.
Also, I'm sending you a PM. |
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