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TyBoo



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogon dory wrote:
...as a reliability professional it is a simple decision.


No such thing as a simple decision in your profession. If there was, your profession wouldn't exist.

Now then, I would think you of all folks would prefer twins simply so you can quit beating yourself up about which prop to use - run 'em both.

I don't recall who said it, but I think the best analogy for the single vs. twins debate is "Ginger or MaryAnn?".

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TyBoo wrote:
. I have watched B~C motor his twin 40s around quite a bit, and he seems to be all over the place and not just pulling to the right.


.... too funny!! good one Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now you're talkin my language. I'd go with a Mary Ann, (single) less maintanance and I'm sure way more dependable and trustworthy than a Ginger.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol yeah a tow is always an option. My discussion is around avoiding that. With my luck I won't ever need a tow in a nice calm bay with no traffic 30 minutes from help. Didn't mean to stir up the debate yet again. I equally see both sides. It sounds as if they both really are equally reliable, preference and taste aside.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re-Power Reply with quote

This has been a fun topic.

To DodgeRam: It took me 4 years to decide on my C-Dory. From one dealer, boat show to another. I made the right decision with my C-Dory.

You all have given me some really great input. I appreciate it very much. Now I have to convince my wife we need to re-power. I can work on that. The safety of family and friends is more important then a few bucks.

Thanks to all for your advice.

Dick

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rcwass. Your on the right track. The safety angle works great! It's justified many purchases such as the radar, auto pilot, dual axle trailer with disk brakes, dinghy and windlass. I'm stuggling though to come up with a reason to purchase some canvas. Hypothermia potential during winter time fishing excursions might work Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, such a fun topic -- like the riflemen debating a 30-06 or a .270. For the record, our Honda 40 twins allowed us to continue cruising this summer when one died (of old age) on the Chesapeake. We ordered two new engines, but found it would be a three month wait due to lack of importing enough Hondas (or a law suit, or something or other) -- but with our other twin, we headed to the Erie Canal and had a delightful summer cruising the canals on our single 40 -- with an imposed speed limit for the canal, there would have been no advantage (except in a few higher speed areas) with the two engines, so we cruised merrily on using the good twin. When we had the old engines replaced, we headed across Lake Ontario to Canada.
There have been a few other times when having twins was indeed a help (although a good kicker would probably have achieved the same result, but somewhat slower) -- like when we nipped a log with one prop in the Canadian part of the Columbia River.
But, like Dusty says, its a matter of personal choice. Cruising our twins with another 22' with a larger single, our fuel consumption is within .0000012 of each other (our cost to maintain is higher), cost of purchase was less, weight on the stern about the same -- a coin flipper.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

El and BILL are right, my 2- 50hp cost me less money than same hp with a single.
Maintenance is the same,
4 plugs each 50
2.1 qt of oil each 50
231lb each
boat is well balance with twins
price of purchase is less than single plus kicker, plus bracket, remote control alone for a kicker can cost any where from $3000 to $4000
One single plus kicker need 6 plugs
4.8 qt of oil on a 90, 1.1 qt oil on kicker, kicker weight about 100lb.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, lots of great reasons on both sides. Thumbs Up It really does just boil down to what works for you, and what appeals to you. After all, that is what makes these boats so great, the fact that you can customize them and set them up to suit your preferences! Both ways are great ways to go. I too think twins look really cool, and if I was mostly a cruiser, I would probably go that route. Since I fish alot. I prefer a single/ kicker configuration. I think it's nice to put all those hours on a little 2000-2500 dollar motor than on one that costs twice as much. I usually troll for 5-8 hours each day I fish, and my kicker logs way more hours than my main. As I start to cruise more I'm sure the balance will shift a little but still my kicker will take the brunt of my time, and is less $ to replace than a 40 or 50. Plus I grew up fishing with kicker's so it seems natural to me. As far as contols for the kicker I have always steered from the back at the kicker when fishing since you are then close to the rods, but I do plan on getting an EZ steer and a troll master, which has its limitaions, but will be less than $1000 bucks, and will fit my needs overall. The troll master won't change you from forward to reverse, I believe it only controls the RPM's but for trolling hitting reverse isn't that important( for me). As I tend to go in a line for sometime then pickup and run back to the starting point. Again it's all a matter of preference, either way you go at least it will be in a Cdory! Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Repowering Reply with quote

Hi Dick,

There is one parameter that would greatly influence my decision. Unfortunately there is no quantitative data out there. What is the NOISE level with different engines and arrangements?

If I ever get to the Chesapeake gathering with a lot of boats, I'm going to try to get a sound meter to get the data. It would be good if we could have a chart with relative noise levels all taken with the same instrument for a bunch of different brands and HPs.

Rick from Maine
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I can tell you is that my twins make a lot less noise if the door is closed....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 30-06 caliber is the only way to go! From varmints to big game. Can't understand why anyone in their right mind would consider any other caliber of rifle! Versatile, efficient and great for docking in tight spaces Cool

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Repowering Reply with quote

Rick from Maine wrote:
What is the NOISE level with different engines and arrangements?


Noise? What Noise?..........I have to look back to see if the "tell tale" is squirting water from my twin Johnson 50's (Suzukis under a white Johnson cover).

(of course, after 3 years in the Army around the sound of weapons firing and 28 years under sirens at work, I've been told that I don't hear too well Rolling Eyes ......mostly my wife telling me that Wink).

All the above is true....however, on a more serious note...when I had my 16' Cruiser with a 50 HP Honda, I remember a fella walking by while I was tied up to a dock with the engine idling, asking me if the engine was running. The Johnsons are no different and I believe the same to be true for all the 4 strokes. While underway the wind is louder than the engines and when the windows and cabin door is closed, there is just a far off drone of power behind me.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutty Sark wrote:
I too think twins look really cool
Sark


The twins I dated in high school certainly fit the above description! Smile (and yes, my wife has heard me talk about them Crook )
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