Questions about '82 22ft CDory with transom-area damage

T.R. Bauer · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:12 pm Post subject:

You don't get much boat in AK for 15 grand....usually. Everything here is a good 1/3 higher priced than in most places in the lower 48. Of course there are exceptions. There were two boats last year that sold in SC AK for around 10-20 thousand. One had 2 stroke engine issues (hadn't run in years and was 13K) and the other looked every bit its age (198?) and had 4 stroke power for about 20K. I looked at the one in Palmer with the non running two stroke and my friend continues to kick himself for not buying it. I almost bought it to resell as it had been stored inside as really had potential to be nice without too much time or money involved. The point is, they are around, it just takes real patience. I personally think 17 grand is about 5-7 grand too much for the boat in question. I could be wrong as it might look a lot better in person.

Byrdman · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:08 pm Post subject:

There should be someone you know in Sitka that may be more familar with boats, how to "improve" them correctly, and understand the details that you must get correct prior to purchasing this boat. If you get it wrong, you have a pair of nice motors and an opportunity to build a boat and your money has already been spent.

My thoughts are individual's work habits or their desire to do quality work to prevent damage from occurring run pretty constant. I know folks who know the correct way of adding accessories or making modifications to a boat. Some do it correctly and others skimp on it, cut corners, just use what is sitting around and "fix it" later. Later never comes. These are the folks I do not want to own a boat behind. Others that have the same knowledge, do things correctly, and often after they have owned a boat it is a better boat than when they purchased it. Some things can be fixed...others you just need to walk away from.

My point is, the motor well (that box thing in the back) that had all the holes in it, the owner did not even take the time to squirt some of the 4200 (sealant) in just to keep water out until they could fix it later. Not saying 4200 is to put in every hole....I am saying you simply just do not leave open, exposed holes.

As mentioned with the bolt thru the plastic stuff...I agree, a washer should have been used and was not.

Even as you remove screws ...the real small ones for the depth finder, there should be evidence of some type of caulking there. If not, it was more than likely treated like the other holes above. and just neglected...

There seems to be a trend here on how things have been done on THIS hull.

If you do not have the work space, do not know what the parts are, are uncomfortable about what is wet/dry ...solid or compromised, and more than likely you do not have a friend with this knowledge ...or they would be beside you walking you thru this.... as much as this boat may fit your financial criteria.... it simply may not physically be the hull you need to put the money you do have into.

Chances are ...you would own a couple of motors....and still need to buy a boat only your money is gone. No matter how bad you want a boat and you can own this one for the funds you have and are willing to spend....it just might not be the one. Please be careful and do not end up boatless and the money gone too.

tbag · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:09 pm Post subject:

Just saw this in Juneau

http://juneau.craigslist.org/boa/4862094201.html

d&linAK · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:48 pm Post subject:

Everyone, thanks so much for the sage advice and honest opinions.

I think we're going to walk away from this one. This boat has a few to many questionable parts to gamble our current financial stability on.

This has been an amazing introduction to the C-Dory community! Thanks again for all the help.

thataway · Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:13 pm Post subject:

It might be worth a trip to Juneau to see that other early 22 (I may have missed the year). But it would give you both a baseline, and leverage in further investigations of an early C Dory 22.

d&linAK · Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:25 pm Post subject:

Here's what the owner said about the boat in Juneau: "The hull appears to be sound, but the transom has had to be reinforced due to compression of the balsa core between the inner and outer fibreglass. I believe that the balsa core in the bottom is probably saturated. I'll look for the engine SN. It was rebuilt by Rocky's Marine in 2005, and we estimate it has had less than 300 hours on it since then.
You are right about the original configuration, but I had to rip out the bunks and compartments underneath due to rot in the wood; I replaced the framework, but have not completed it, so the cushions are high and dry in our attic for now.
The aft cabin bulkhead needs replacement, or its lower area at least, again due to rot."

The hull is a 1981. From what it sounds like this boat might take quite a bit more work than the one here and the engines are a good bit older/have been worked on extensively. Or theres the chance that the one here needs just as much work but it just hasn't been opened up yet.

Byrdman · Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:26 pm Post subject:

Welcome to the group. Do not get discouraged. There are solid older C-Dory boats out there for all budgets.

The C-Dory boats are great well built tuff ass boats for sure and they can for sure handle a lot of tuff, hard use...but not abuse via the drill and not properly completing each hole drilled.

I re-built a 1984 C-Dory 18' Angler and took here back down to the bare hull and started over to include interior gel-coating. I stopped counting at around 160 ish thru hull openings, but, each of them were handled properly so we found zero rot.

And yes....I did go a bit over budget but what a wonderful boat I ended up with. Sadly I sold her....but, I do have first buyer's rights promised to me. Many days I wish I had C-Byrd back. Take a look in my FREEBYRD photo album....a sub-folder in there for C-Byrd. It was kind of my nautical 68 GTO re-fab gig.

tbag · Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:15 pm Post subject:

I am pretty sure I know where this boat is if you want pics or more info. Pm me if you do.

Hope I'll get out to Sitka some summer to fish kings.

Larry H · Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:52 pm Post subject:

I think the early flat bottom C-Dorys used plywood in the hull bottom and balsa in the transom, as the transom was curved. A proper transom repair requires the removal of the inside skin of the transom, removal and replacement of the core, and re-glassing the inner skin. The plywood core can stand some water soaking in and still have strength, whereas the balsa rots to mush.

Discovery · Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:25 am Post subject:

The Juneau boat is an original "Hunky Dory", before the name was changed to C-Dory. Probably an '80 or '81

If this was in the lower 48 it would be a temptation for me at $5500. It does look really rough though.

I had a friend who owned two of these boats in the late '80's. He kept one in Cabo San Lucas, Baja Sur, and the other in Petersburg, Ak. Wintered with one and summered with the other.

d&linAK · Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:25 pm Post subject:

Hi everyone, so we ended up getting a beautiful 16ft '96 angler! One turned up unexpectedly at a great price and we were first in line. It's been a wonderful little boat and I couldn't be happier about it! It came with a '96 50hp 4stroke yamaha and a '01 6hp 2 stroke Johnson. I started from square one with outboard knowledge so getting these motors running has been an great education in maintenance and repair. So that's the update for now, thanks again for the advice!

Clewless · Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:46 am Post subject:

We got an '86 Angler a few years ago and saw some unplugged holes in the splash well that caused the glass to bulge on the starboard side of the well. Because of this issue negotiated a price of $10k. Finally ready to tackle replacing the splash well, even knowing what we might, find the pics are depressing. Take a look in the album. The transom seems good. Any advice would be appreciated.