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matt_unique



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:42 pm    Post subject: Silicone Reply with quote

I was thinking about the silicone sealer, but that in itself would cause an airspace no?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:36 am    Post subject: Re: Map Reply with quote

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I will apply some sort of cover to protect the map (antique) but I wonder if I 'll have lot's of condensation between the table surface and the glass or plexi cover....in fact with that in mind glass would likely condense more than plexi. ...


Why not have the map proffesionally laminated first?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: Map Reply with quote

flapbreaker wrote:
matt_unique wrote:
I will apply some sort of cover to protect the map (antique) but I wonder if I 'll have lot's of condensation between the table surface and the glass or plexi cover....in fact with that in mind glass would likely condense more than plexi. ...


Why not have the map proffesionally laminated first?


I laminated the map as the first step. When I refer to protective cover I mean either glass or plexiglass covering the entire table surface area with the laminated map under that. I'm concerned that there will be condensation between the bottom of the plexi or glass and the table thus blocking the view of the laminated map.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have cut to fit a piece of cotton backed vinyl table cloth and overlaided it with a piece of acrylic plastic from HOME DEPOT, also cut to fit. I have placed pictures and maps under the plastic and removed same without any issues. The dampness that we have here is not as pronounced as in the NW, so I'm not sure how that will playout for you.

There are plenty of plastic cleaners that takes out any scratches and it is pretty brake resistance. I have not had the table top cover, etc, 'fly off', scratch, crack or break; yet, after 2 years.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a cool project. Initially, it is what we had in mind but Donna came up with the tile idea and we decided to go with that. We love it. We have had no problems with it. We normally have a couple of pieces of that nonskid mat material on it along with some saltwater fish placemats for normal use. When we want to display the table, we simply remove the mats.

Joel, I'm no rocket scientist...it was an easy project. "So easy a caveman can do it." Laughing There's a description of how we did it in that table thread...or you can PM me if you like.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C Pelican came with a glass over the table top--and we put different charts under it. I believe that the glass was safety glass. Never a problem with it flying or falling out. As long as the fiddles around the edges are adequate, the glass should stay. I prefer the glass, because of scratching. Lexan is even worse for scratching. We have had plastic chart protectors--and you can polish out the scratches, but for a table, the glass works very well.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:34 am    Post subject: Glass Reply with quote

thataway wrote:
C Pelican came with a glass over the table top--and we put different charts under it. I believe that the glass was safety glass. Never a problem with it flying or falling out. As long as the fiddles around the edges are adequate, the glass should stay. I prefer the glass, because of scratching. Lexan is even worse for scratching. We have had plastic chart protectors--and you can polish out the scratches, but for a table, the glass works very well.


No trouble with the glass flipping up even through some seas/bouncing? I wondered if perhaps the weight of the glass combined with the support of the fiddles and hull on the sides might keep it in place...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Glass Reply with quote

matt_unique wrote:
thataway wrote:
C Pelican came with a glass over the table top--and we put different charts under it. I believe that the glass was safety glass. Never a problem with it flying or falling out. As long as the fiddles around the edges are adequate, the glass should stay. I prefer the glass, because of scratching. Lexan is even worse for scratching. We have had plastic chart protectors--and you can polish out the scratches, but for a table, the glass works very well.


No trouble with the glass flipping up even through some seas/bouncing? I wondered if perhaps the weight of the glass combined with the support of the fiddles and hull on the sides might keep it in place...


Matt-

I would guess that the air pressure as well as the weight of the glass keeps the glass sheet from rising up quickly off the table.

With a tight, flat fit between the bottom of the glass and the top of the table, the glass would be held down by the air pressure, at least somewhat. Ever try to raise a flat sheet of particle board or plywood up quickly from another and feel the air pressure on top of the outer sheet resist a quick separation? (Some would say the vacuum between the sheets causes the resistance, but it's really the positive air pressure on the outer one that provides the real force.)

The weight of the glass is another factor, being just about as dense as most metals. The ordinary rocking, rolling, falling and rising motion of the boat is not so severe as to dislodge the glass unless your out in seas that are going to jar loose everything else in the boat as well. Just be sure the fiddles stop any sliding.

Of course, I wouldn't try the glass like this on a USCG 47 foot Surfboat, though! Going turtle (upside down) and coming up later would make glass shards out of it. It would need a "seat belt" just like the seats for the Coxwain and crew.

BTW: They make clear plastic edge mounting brackets for mirrors that could be used on the table if you didn't mind the bumps they would make on the table top.

My $0.02!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:36 am    Post subject: Glass Reply with quote

Thanks for the info and ideas.

Where can I buy safety glass cut to spec? Is this something I can get from Home Depot or such?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not at Home Depot, you'd find it at a glass store. I think tempered glass has to be made to size at the factory because the act of cutting it to size would cause it to shatter into the tiny pieces that make it safety glass. Check at a place that does window and doors.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An auto glass shop will have flat windshield glass available for repairing heavy trucks and heavy equipment glass since they are just a flat piece cut to fit. They use the same safety glass as used in automobile windshields. It has a plastic film in between two layers that holds the whole thing together if it's cracked. It would be a perfect way to go with this project. Tempered glass is tough, but it fractures into a million tiny pieces if it is broken.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any good auto glass shop can cut and then smooth the edges. If you want to smooth the edges of safety glass, we find that a belt sander works fine.

We have never had any moisture problem with the glass over a chart--but I would not put a truely valuable chart under the glass. Items can get spilled and get under the glass. We were always able to clean this out on the rare occasion it happened. We really enjoy having the planning chart for a cruise under the glass. That way at dinner we can look at the broad picture of the next day's routes.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Map Reply with quote

Thanks again. My antique map of France is laminated so no worries about spillage.

I will research local autoglass shops.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Matt;

I posted the pixs of the plastic table top cover on my page 2 under
"Table Top Cover".

http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album535&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

Hope this clarifies the overlay cover question.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone have additional input on this subject? I also have a laminated chart I would like to place on the dinette table.
I don't really like the safety glass approach because I worry about it breaking eather from my son sleeping on it or during the bed setup; a piece of glass that size adds quite a bit of additional weight to the table top.
Not too crazy about plexiglass rather, polycarbonate perhaps but it scratches too easy.
Was actually thinking of using the decoupage approach, but there would be no turning back if I used the original table so thinking of buying a nice piece of Marine plywood and starting from scratch; if that project fails the original table is still intact.
I've been in a number of restaurants with tables finished with perhaps fiberglass resin or something like that, not sure.
The other problem I see using plexiglass or something similar is the chance of it raising up in the middle, this would drive me crazy. I would have to screw it down and that would not be pretty.
So I'm hoping that someone has come up with a more creative or desirable approach..

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