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peterzug



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:29 am    Post subject: Kicker w/ Twins Reply with quote

I just finished about 300 hrs and 3 seasons with a CD-22 with Twin 40 Hondas. I never thought of a kicker because I had an extra 40 horse there and ready.
The real consideration was to always have a separate gas container with different gas than in the other 2- 20 gallon tanks , extra hose fittings ready to jerry rig fuel hoses in a pinch and always an extra Racor water separator filter.

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thataway



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had to have a kicker on that boat (and I don't recommend it) I would use something like the Garelick O.B. Motor Bracket-Offshore #71090. For a 3 to 4 hp I would used the smaller aluminum bracket. You can put this bracket off to the side out of the way of the twin 50's--but it would not be easy to operate, and would add more weight to the stern as others have noted.
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bridma



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hunkydory wrote:
With our twin Honda 40's, I 2nd Barry's opinion, but if you saw the size of my new anchor you'd think maybe I'd be up for twin 6 hp back ups for the twin mains.

Jay




That is one mighty piece of tin wear hanging off your bow. I looked at the 25# Manson Boss in my local chandlery. That thing will hold a 50ft power boat in a hurricane. You sure aint gonna be having any sleepless nights on the hook.

Martin.
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Sunbeam



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

C-jeep wrote:
Why in the world would you need a kicker with the possible exception of using it to power a dink. You have two of the most reliable engines on the planet.


At first I thought it sounded "a bit much" too, but then he did mention being 100-200 nm from port and also potentially hitting something in the water. I could imagine taking out two lower units of twins, which are often both in the water, and then being able to use a third engine. I guess it's the reverse of someone like me who has one lower unit out of the water (single main plus kicker). I could be fairly certain to have that "fresh" lower unit ready to move me along, but then I don't have the advantage of the second engine already being in the water and running like with a twin. So it seems like it depends on what specifically happens (like if my engine died at a critical moment, I might wish I had that second twin in the water and running already) but I could see his idea of taking out two lower units (which doesn't matter how dependable the engines are) simultaneously on a log or something, especially in some boating areas.
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thataway



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The chance of taking out both lower units at once is extremely rare. More likely to get a net tangled in the props or something of that nature--but that can be handled by cutting it off, and by having spare props aboard--which we all should have.

A dinghy motor to put on the bracket makes some sense--and it makes the dinghy motor easier to transfer as an intermediate point from the cockpit.
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Sunbeam



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never had twin outboards in the water, so I was envisioning running them onto the same ledge or into the same big log, but it sounds like that rarely happens. Perhaps it's that the object is rarely completely perpendicular to the centerline of the boat, so whatever it is, tends to hit one lower unit (first), it absorbs most of the energy, and thus protects the second one. At any rate, sounds like it is exceedingly rare to take out two, and most redundancy solutions (especially if they are big heavy ones) "should" probably be for things that are more likely to happen.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have thought about that. On my bozt everything is seperate, but there is always a deadhead waiting to happen.
I some times carry a 4hp for the dink but do not have a way to mount it on the boat.
Jerry C NILE C22
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ghone



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All good info. Just for fun I thought I'd share this weekends engine issue. We're over at Newcastle Island in Nanaimo gorgeous sunny weekend. A guy comes along to see if we have a can if gas. Turn out he has a single Mercruiser with a known timing belt issue. It breaks every few trips. He has a kicker and fuel tank. Except no gas in it. He is still gonna futz with his timing belt on his own instead of getting a pro to fix it! Nice reliable power not getting looked after.
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