V700 windlass retrieve issue

ghone · Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:53 pm Post subject:

Sharp eye Primitive! Typing boo boo. Meant to say "loads don't go to windlass". Windlasses aren't designed for more than the rated pick up load. Our little boats could probably get away with letting the windlass hold things but a day would come... I have used the bow line to the rode a few times mostly to see how the boat lies. So far I don't see much difference but maybe less swing when gusty . I still tie to the cleat just pull a bunch of slack keeping the load on the bowline and tie off in the normal way. In case the rolling hitch were to slip. In my time in the marine retail business I saw too many broken swivels to trust them. Try a Google search on putting swivels in anchor systems. Lots of reasons why not to have them and few to have them. Sorry for the confusion. My IPad still puts words I didn't want sometimes. Self correcting robot thingy! George

primative · Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:41 pm Post subject:

" I still tie to the cleat just pull a bunch of slack keeping the load on the bowline and tie off in the normal way. In case the rolling hitch were to slip."

Thanks George. Don't mean to be tedious, just want to be understanding correctly. When you say in the above quote ""pull a bunch of slack", you are talking about extra line from the anchor locker and that is going onto the cleat for back up safety in addition to a separate load absorbing line that is hitched to the rode in front of the bow roller bracket and then also tied to the cleat?

Also thanks for the swivel info.. I have not done any research other than what I was told to do at the local marine supply years ago.

Tom

ghone · Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:54 pm Post subject:

Close. I just tie the rode to the line attached to the bow eye with a rolling hitch near it's end and drop it in the water. Then just tie the rode off with some slack to the cleat by pulling a little out of the locker. Isn't very scientific mostly just experimenting. Usually just bring the rode back over the windlass and tie off. George

primative · Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:19 pm Post subject:

Got it!

Is the line that's used from the bow eye and hitched to the rode the same diameter as the rode?

DaveS · Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:28 pm Post subject:

Sea Wolf · Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:46 pm Post subject:

primative · Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:50 pm Post subject:

George
Just got off the animated knots site and it suggests using a little smaller diameter line for the rolling hitch onto the main line so it is less likely to slip. Makes sense.

Dave S, thanks for the clarifications.

Tom

Moxieabs · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject:

Does the 8-plait stretch less than 3-strand and thus offer less "shock absorber" function?

journey on · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:41 pm Post subject:

Nylon plaited line/rope/rode has a slightly higher average tensile strength than 3 strand nylon: for 1/2" plait: 8300#, 3 strand: 6300#. Since the equivalent cross sectional are is what gives line it's strength, for the same material, it's seems reasonable to assume that the plait , though nylon, doesn't stretch as much.

I changed from 3 strand to 6 strand plait and I certainly can't tell the difference. I got the plait because it's more flexed and Lewmar recommended it for the V700. I finally changed the capstan back to the V600, since it works better. They're interchangeable.

Boris

Sunbeam · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:35 pm Post subject:

I, too, wanted to make sure I wasn't giving up the benefits of "good old" three-strand nylon in terms of elongation. From what I understand reading this chart (which I looked at before going with Brait), the Brait actually absorbs more energy than three-strand (Yale makes both).

http://www.yalecordage.com/pleasure-marine-ropes/anchoring-mooring-specialty/nylon-brait.html

Scroll down about 3/4 of the way for "Energy Absorption Comparison."

primative · Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:17 pm Post subject:

journey on · Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:28 pm Post subject:

Tom here's my comments on your questions.

First, the V600 capstan has somewhat different teeth from the V700 and the rope part of the rode (sorry, I couldn't resist,) fits deeper and pulls better in the V600. That said, I only changed because I had a V600 capstan left over when I replaced the windlass. I certainly wouldn't go out and buy a V600 capstan.

I believe I had trouble at first because I tried using the old, stiff anchor line on the new windlass and it wasn't gripping; I had to tail the line from the anchor locker.

So, my solution was to get 200' of 6-plait line and splice that to the chain. My splice isn't neat but it's held for 3 years. The plaited line is more supple, so it meshes better with the capstan. But then so should new 3 strand. I bought the plait because it was sexy and on sale and Judy wanted the anchor to hold. It was made by Samson, I believe. I don't know if they still made it. Any line made in America should do as well.

It flakes better than the 3 strand and works with either capstan. And it's held Journey On nailed to the ground. Actually, I changed to the V600 capstan after we came home, so the V700 must of worked for the rest of our time in the San Juan's.

Now you know as much as I do. My comment is just go ahead do the best you can and quit worrying. You got all the right stuff. Though I've always had an ACCO swivel in every anchor rode I've had and they've never failed. I don't buy the offshore stuff for anchoring, even those made in Italy.

Boris

primative · Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:06 am Post subject:

Boris, thanks for getting back and the details. I bought my V700 a few yrs ago from a West coast service center in CA., shortly after it changed from the Washington location. When he asked me to send in my former Sprint 600 (was Simpson Lawrence before Lewmar bought them if I remember correctly) he didn't mention capstan interchangeability.

Sounds like you like your 6 plait line more than the 3strand, and will do it again when you need to replace rode.

I am going to keep my 3 strand line as it is not very old, and try some of the things mentioned on this thread. If it doesn't work well enough then its on to plaited line. I was told by Josh, tech. support at Lewmar, that plaited line is softer and sometimes has more tendency to slip. He recommended going with the 3 strand first, then switching if other solutions not working.

I take it you did not have slippage issues with the 6 plait and the V700, before changing to the 600 capstan?

Tom

ghone · Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:21 am Post subject:

Sorry missed your question re diameter of line. I use the bow line (mooring line) that I keep permanently attached to the boy eye. It's 3/8 inch. No problems with slipping. A rolling hitch normally takes two wraps, I'll do a third wrap if needed. George