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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:38 am    Post subject: Close encounter of the Orca kind Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I can say is WOW! WOW! WOW! that is incredible. What good fortune to get such great shots. Well done.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fabulous fotos, Doggone Dan. Big wow.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: Close encounter of the Orca kind Reply with quote

FWIW, it isn't considered acceptable to do this (putting your boat in the path of the pod) in the Puget Sound. In Alaskan waters I suspect the density of boats is such as to not be a problem. But, if you've ever seen the tangle of boats that follow pods aroud in the PS then you might (or might not) agree its not the best idea

Many will no doubt disagree.

http://www.whalemuseum.org/downloads/soundwatch/SWguidelines_02.pdf
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: Close encounter of the Orca kind Reply with quote

KenG wrote:
Many will no doubt disagree.


Including the article you cited:

"Avoid positioning your vessel within the 400 metre/yard area in the path of the whales."

Given that he stated he went "1/2 mile or so" before shutting off and drifting, it sounds like he was being plenty responsible.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Close encounter of the Orca kind Reply with quote

From the National Marine Fisheries Service, Alaska Marine Mammal Viewing Guidelines and Regulations:

"Federal Laws And Marine Mammal Viewing

The Marine Mammal Protection Act prohibits the TAKE of all marine mammal species in U.S. waters. Take means "to harass, hunt, capture, or kill, or attempt to harass, hunt, capture, or kill," and harassment means "any act of pursuit, torment, or annoyance which has the potential to injure a marine mammal or marine mammal stock in the wild; or has the potential to disturb a marine mammal or marine mammal stock in the wild by causing disruption of behavioral patterns, including, but not limited to migration, breathing, nursing, breeding, feeding, sheltering." TAKE includes feeding or attempting to feed a marine mammal in the wild. Some exceptions are made for authorized scientific research and subsistence hunting by Alaska Natives.

The Endangered Species Act prohibits the TAKE of species listed as endangered or threatened. The definition of TAKE under the Endangered Species Act adds the terms harm, pursue, shoot, wound, trap and collect to the Marine Mammal Protection Act definition of TAKE.


Marine Mammal Viewing
"Code of Conduct"


1. Remain at least 100 yards from marine mammals.

2. Time spent observing individual(s) should be limited to 30 minutes.

3. Whales should not be encircled or trapped between boats, or boats and shore.

4. If approached by a whale, put the engine in neutral and allow the whale to pass.

Federal law prohibits pursuit of marine mammals.

Even if approached by a marine mammal:

1. Offering food, discarding fish or fish waste, or any other food item is prohibited.

2. Do not touch or swim with the animals. They can behave unpredictably and may also transmit disease."

As I see it, Dan did everything by the Alaska book. Smile Thumbs Up

Wish I was there to see them!

Jim
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My close encounter on Monday morning at 6am, was pretty impressive, and I have lived in the San Juans for a few years and only had one other closer encounter, and that was with the Whale Museum folks in one of their research boats.(that was in 1979)

One of the most impressive things for me is to be able to hear the whales when they surface and blow, then breath. In the early morning the mist from their breathing hangs in the air and glistens in the low angled light. It is spiritual. Monday morning was clear, completely still, and quiet. I was the only boat within miles. The whales "fished" for over 30 minutes before they headed back north. I was awe-struck.




A big male breached about 50 feet to my stern and I was so surprised that I missed the picture Shocked



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
2. Do not touch or swim with the animals. They can behave unpredictably and may also transmit disease."


Hell, so can most C-Brats.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine was on the Tolleycraft that sunk a few weeks ago in PWS after hitting a whale that they didn't see. He can attest that they "can behave unpredictably". He hasn't broken out in disease yet but did momentarily lose control of his bladder, maybe that's the first symptom!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great pics of the orcas and sea lions, Dan. Amazing what you can see out there in PWS. Not neccessarily a matter of looking for stuff. Just a matter of timing and being in the right place at the right time. Of course having a camera at the ready makes the ability to share these moments.

I'll chip in to help amortize the cost of laminating and printing the warning epistles for the sea critters, in the interest of protecting their civil liberties and/or other encroachment in the face of floating debris such as C-Dorys.

You did very well, my friend. Wish I could have been there.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A great experience -(and super pictures) - thanks for sharing it with us.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Close encounter of the Orca kind Reply with quote

AnchortownJim wrote:
From the National Marine Fisheries Service, Alaska Marine Mammal Viewing Guidelines and Regulations:

"Federal Laws And Marine Mammal Viewing

The Marine Mammal Protection Act prohibits the TAKE of all marine mammal species in U.S. waters. Take means "to harass, hunt, capture, or kill, or attempt to harass, hunt, capture, or kill," and harassment means "any act of pursuit, torment, or annoyance which has the potential to injure a marine mammal or marine mammal stock in the wild; or has the potential to disturb a marine mammal or marine mammal stock in the wild by causing disruption of behavioral patterns, including, but not limited to migration, breathing, nursing, breeding, feeding, sheltering."

[red color added, lots of stuff clipped]
As I see it, Dan did everything by the Alaska book. Smile Thumbs Up

Wish I was there to see them!

Jim


I think the part in red is what is a legitimate concern. Does running past the whales by 1/2 mile and then putting one's boat in the presumed migration path have the potential to disturb a marine mammal (including but not limited to migration)? I would definitely agree that if a pod approaches ones boat, nothing wrong was done. However, I think it's a little bit disingenuous to suggest that the encounter itself was the product of pure curiosity on the whale's part when the encounter was definitely part of the boat operator's plan by placing his boat in the presumed migration path.

However, I also loved the photos and am not sure if any REAL harm was caused by Dan's actions and I am sure that Dan would argue that none was. IMHO, probably not this one time but the cumulative effect of many people doing the same kind of thing could potentially impact the behavior. I'm not a whale or wildlife expert so I leave that aspect of the discussion to someone who is.

None-the-less, I don't think we should jump down the throat of someone who raises what I believe is a legitimate concern. Moreover, depending on which wildlife officer, policeman or CG authority is interpretting the law, it would seem possible that one could get cited for similar actions.

Just my 1.5 cents worth.

Roger on the SeaDNA

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that's a great point about steering clear of mammals, guess I rarily thought about it until I tried boating in Alaska. I noticed quickly up here that there are pesky mammals swimming all over the place, Sea Otters, River Otters, Sea Lions, Whales of all sorts, then there's all the damn eagles. Just trying to put a hook in the water will get several of these creatures curiosity up and they'll come check out what you are doing and what they can steal from you. From now on I'll just pull that hook up anytime I see any other creature. Just imagine all the charter boats, fishing boats, recreation boats and float planes all within just feet of MAMMALS! Heck, there is one hell on a Sea Lion that hangs out five to fifteen feet from my dock looking for whatever hits the water.
Not sure how one can operate a boat up here without violating some poor mammal's rights, and that's just the ones we can see. Guess I'd better sell my boats or move inland so I don't upset anyone. I wonder where I can move without upseting a mammal, perhaps New York. Oh yeah, might upset a mouse.

Thanks for being so un-politically correct Dan!
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