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ferret30
Joined: 22 Mar 2011 Posts: 569 City/Region: Seattle
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:09 pm Post subject: Windshield wiper push button install |
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I've been meaning to post about this for a while, but in late December, when it was way to cold to do a wiring project, I decided to do a wiring project.
The wiper controls on our 22 are on the main house panel down by the driver's right knee, and using the wipers during intermittent rain in the past has caused:
* navigation/anchor lights to turn on
* horn to honk
* bilge pump to turn on
* etc.
And unless it's a driving rain, I don't like to run the wipers continuously. The dashboard has an unused spot for a second 4" gauge, and I decided to use this space to mount wiper push buttons.
These are momentary push button switches (Blue Sea 8200: http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-8200-Button-Switch/dp/B000MMFK38). I considered mounting them lower where there were holes from a removed cup holder, but the panel is too thick there (cored). Actually, the gauge part of the dash is one of the only places thin enough for these switches. I arranged the switch holes so that they could be removed and replaced with another gauge if necessary.
Wiring was fairly simple. The wiper bundles each have 3 wires: positive, negative, and the third one causes the wiper to activate. The wipers need power even when they aren't activated so they can park. Basically, the positive and 'activate' wires for each wiper are spliced with pigtails near the new switch location, and connected to the switch. Pushing the button causes the 'activate' wire to momentarily connect to positive, activating the wiper.
It is important to keep the bundles separate, i.e. not share positive from one bundle with both switches. Also, don't just run power to the switch from the positive bus on the house panel. Doing either of these will partially or fully defeat the fusing for the wipers.
Now whenever there's a splash or rain that's too light for constant wiping, the switches are there and easy to run by feel. |
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Two Bears
Joined: 07 Nov 2009 Posts: 296 City/Region: Orofino
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Love IT!!
I've been wondering about converting to hand driven wipers for the reasons you mentioned.
This is a much better way to go.
Chuck _________________ Chuck & Penny Raddon
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Chester
Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 1176 City/Region: home
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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ferret30
Joined: 22 Mar 2011 Posts: 569 City/Region: Seattle
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield wiper push button install |
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ferret30 wrote: | Basically, the positive and 'activate' wires for each wiper are spliced with pigtails near the new switch location, and connected to the switch. |
Just to clarify (since it was worded confusingly), the power and 'activate' wires aren't spliced to each other! They each get a pigtail spliced to them, and the pigtails connect to the switch with crimped spade connectors. The switch bridges the power and switch connectors.
Also, I'm not taking credit for this one. I know it's been done a lot, I just wanted to document it and show how easy it is!
Last edited by ferret30 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:15 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Blue Rose
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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What a great idea... except maybe I'll put one button on the port side for my co-pilot. Maybe she won't push my button so often if she's got her own.
Jim _________________ Blue Rose |
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Two Bears
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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I was telling my wife about this great idea. She looked at me kind of strangely. "You remember my old sewing machine with the bead glued to the reverse button? Well, just glue a bead on the main switch and you can do it by feel. Glue two beads on the other wiper switch. Why waste your time with all those wires?"
Hummmmm
Kind of a kill joy isn't she.
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ferret30
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Two Bears wrote: | I was telling my wife about this great idea. She looked at me kind of strangely. "You remember my old sewing machine with the bead glued to the reverse button? Well, just glue a bead on the main switch and you can do it by feel. Glue two beads on the other wiper switch. Why waste your time with all those wires?"
Hummmmm
Kind of a kill joy isn't she.
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It's still a PITA to reach down next to your knee and find the switch, even with the beads on there. I did this project in less than an hour, and for less than $20, so other than drilling holes in the boat, I don't see a problem.  |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12637 City/Region: Sequim
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:28 am Post subject: |
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Not the same, or maybe??
Instead of the push button, (which I am assuming cycles the wiper one time), could you use the same wiring diagram but replace the momentary switch with a 3 position switch, (momentary, off, on) so that if it is a light rain, it can be left in the on position, or if it is an occasional splash, just use the momentary?
I think I want to be able to still have the switches down by my knee to be masters for the wipers and then the dash board ones for active use when the masters are on.
Just some thoughts and questions.
Harvey
SleepyC _________________ Though in our sleep we are not conscious of our activity or surroundings, we should not, in our wakefulness, be unconscious of our sleep. |
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ferret30
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:56 am Post subject: |
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hardee wrote: | Not the same, or maybe??
I think I want to be able to still have the switches down by my knee to be masters for the wipers and then the dash board ones for active use when the masters are on.
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Adding these extra switches did not disable the switches on the panel. And the panel switches can still be used for continuous wiping. There are other Blue Sea switches with the same form factor that allow for momentary or continuous. |
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thataway
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Great project and execution! On the "feel" of switches--there are small silicone "buttons" which are made for the blind to find and identify switches. We have some of these left form our blind mothers--and use them frequently in both the boat and RV to allow us to know what switch we have under finger, rather than look down from the road. For example on the RV on the left side there are 16 Rocker switches in rows of 4 each. I identify the Cruise control, the IUC lights, etc by various "bumps" so I can tell by feel, and not lower a shade or turn on some obscure lite when I want to put on the exhaust brake..Same can apply for C Dory switch. But I really like the idea of the buttons on the wipers. _________________ Bob Austin
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hardee
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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I like the idea of specialized "bumps" on the switches. I do similar with keys, (notches or flat spots). Have some "bumps for some of those switches coming up --- horn, and wipers.
Thanks, good idea.
Harvey
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Sunbeam
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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thataway wrote: | --there are small silicone "buttons" which are made for the blind to find and identify switches. |
In case it helps anyone else, I searched and found these as "bump dots." |
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ferret30
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe I'm just tall or something, but reaching for the lower panel switches makes me have to lean forward a bit. Also, since I'd have to feel around either way, having braille bumps on the switches wouldn't be that much quicker than just memorizing the switch positions, counting from the bottom (by feel). The problem is I want to run the wiper maybe every 5 seconds and that's a lot of reaching. Since this project was so cheap and only took about an hour, it made sense.
PS - we just got back from the SBS and my wife is kind of drooling over the Ranger 25SC through 29. It was her first boat show and I thought it would be kind of boring for her, but I think she's already eying boats for when we retire in 30 years! |
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Jake B
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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great idea. we are going to upgrade out manual wipers later this year and I will be doing this as well. thanks for posting it up. |
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Sunbeam
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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I know! I keep hoping Ferret30 will make more upgrades, so that I can read the informative, well-illustrated posts that follow them
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