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journey on



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never heard of paint thinner, and it isn't kerosene. I seen no reason not to use paint thinner but you might want to call Scan Marine, ask for Mike and get his opinion. He usually come in about 9 AM and is willing to help.

Kleen Heet is re-refined kerosene. I've used both Kleen Heet and the expensive kerosene you find in hardware stores. Both have worked well, even after sitting around for a year.

Pleas post your experience with paint thinner. We all can learn.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

new to me c-dory. wallas 85 never been used and it is still not used. And it won't be used until Scan can fix it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does anyone else use paint thinner to run their Wallas?

Yes. 100% mineral spirits was repeatedly recommended to me by Karl, the previous owner of Scan.
I specifically asked about Kleen-Heat but he was uncertain and always replied to use 100% mineral Spirits. Ace was used in their shop.
Over the years I've used 100% M.S., paint thinner, and Kleen-Heat successfully.
I use an infrared thermometer(gun)

to observe performance and they all reach close to 1100 degrees.
The only obvious difference to me is odor.
Kleen-Heat is practically odorless.
"Odorless mineral-spirits" is somewhat smellier.
Straight mineral spirits and paint thinner flat-out stink.

Please note, my stove is a 1992 kerosene only (paraffin).

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:38 pm    Post subject: Wallas Redux Reply with quote

Not for one moment am I suggesting neglect or pointing the finger at anyone. I was talking to a Wallas dealer recently and he said, "Problems arise with the Wallas not because of the equipment, but because of the operator" !

Maybe there is some truth in that. A salesman would not fib would he?

However, in my case, he was spot on.

Martin.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All you need to do is read the post before your's by Scan Marine, it says it all. The Wallas 800 is a kerosene fired device and it should burn kerosene. The Wallas 85D and 95D products are designed for burning diesel and diesel is the right fuel to use (#2 or #1).
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:38 am    Post subject: Wallas Redux Reply with quote

My 85D manual says, use kerosene or diesel. I use kerosene because that is what the previous owner used. He said he was quite happy with kerosene so I just continued on.

Martin.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:18 am    Post subject: wallas Reply with quote

I have a cape cruiser 06 with a wallas single burner 800? I use only Kleen heat works every time . I put in new kleen heat every year and run the stove once a month or so and so far no problems . I turn the switch to high when turning off and keep batteries on . I keep the battery switch to 1or 2 and then hook up a solar collector when boat is not in use .
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:03 am    Post subject: Wallas Fuel Reply with quote

Yesterday I called Scan Marine about their instructions for using 100% mineral spirits. Told them the unit was 6 years old but had never been fired up, they said it probably wouldn't after sitting so long. I asked about their instruction to use 100% mineral spirits and was told that was old instructions. I should use either the best grade of kerosene or KleenHeet. Tried KleenHeet and the stove fired up but would only reach about 350 degrees indicated by my IR thermometer. changed back to 100% Mineral spirits and then the temp got up to about 420 degrees. Scan said maximum heat should be around 1000 degrees

Next step: send it to Scan Marine for service.

Gary
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an interesting experience with my wallas. The former owner of my new to me c dory said that he had never used the wallas. I looked in the cabinet under the sink and noticed that the thru the hall exhaust wasn't in. the hose from the wallas was hanging loose in the cabinet through a hole cut in the top shelf. There was a hole cut in the hull with a white patch on the hole. When the wallas didn't start I took it to scan. They were very nice and said that the circuit board was bad and since it only had 2 hours was under warranty.
So got the wallas back, got the thru the hall exhaust kit and took off the patch and installed the exhaust . The whole thing with the patch on was kind of weird. Anyone ever heard of something like this on a previous C dory.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kleen Heat is a substitute for Kerosene (more refined)--and should wouk in any kerosene appliance. I suspect that the failure to fire on Kleen heat is due to priming or voltage, rather than the fuel. Hopefully you didn't throw the kleen heat away.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 2:18 pm    Post subject: Wallas Reply with quote

I received my Wallas 800 back from Scan Marine this week and reinstalled this AM. Added some Kleen heat and it fired right up. Seems to work great.

Gary
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chester wrote:

Our model 95 hasn't failed completely but requires fiddling with and lately has decided an outboard motor (1500+ rpm, please) has to be running in order to start. After the Wallas has fired up the motor can be shut down. The batteries aren't old, the connections are clean and the voltage drop from the batteries to the stove is minimal. Still, I ought to clean every connection I 'spose.


Update. I pulled and cleaned every electrical connection, nothing looked bad but the stove will now start without firing up an outboard motor.
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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can people please post their repair costs when they had to send their units to Scan. My unit is removed from the boat and is getting ready for delivery to Scan. Want to get a better idea of how much it might cost to fix and whether it is better for me to go a different route for heat / cooking.

Just trying to get a ballpark idea of what to expect.
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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Earlier this year my Wallas 95DU went up to Scan. It had been working fine since 2007 until it quit lighting last February. They replaced the ignitor, the mat, cleaned the whole thing, put in a used fuel pump and a used combustion tube (or something like that). Total bill was $458.21, which included return shipping.

They are expensive little buggers but when they work they are great. It was sent up to them twice before since I bought the boat and it has probably averaged $100 per year to keep it going. They told me the unit is either a 1996 or 1999 model, but I don't recall which year for sure.

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering what the Wallas costs, the repair costs are not a lot. But there are far cheaper ways to cook! Often if you don't want to keep the Wallas, it can be sold on this list (for far more if it works properly)
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