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SeaSpray
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:08 am Post subject: Kicker question |
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I have a friend always lets the kicker run dry on fuel at the end of an outing. I think the reason is that he believes that if the fuel is left in the carb it can cause problems if the motor is not used for some time.
What do other think? If you are not going to use your kicker for a few weeks or more do you pull the fuel line and let it run dry? Is there a reason to not do this?
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digger
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:21 am Post subject: |
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I normally drain the carbs, but on a 4 stroke you can let it run dry. On a 2 stroke with a mixed gas/oil I would be reluctant to let it run dry because it can starve the lubrication. An oil injected 2 stroke probably would be ok to do it, but still it is safest to drain the fuel. Also, when you pull the fuel connection there is no guarantee that it is going to fully drain the system...it can pull negative pressure on the system and just quit running due to temporary fuel starvation. Once the engine quits and the fuel line looses the negative pressure, residual fuel can fill the carb bowl, and cause problems. My 2 cents. Ron |
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Stimpys Dad
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:56 am Post subject: Run it dry |
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I always disconnect and run it dry,no varnish in carb then always starts first try after bulb pump up.
Simple safe easy to do.
Regards Doug _________________ "A C-DORY IS NOT JUST A BOAT, IT IS A WAY OF LIFE" STIMPSTER 82' ANGLER
LIVING A SUBSISTENCE LIFE STYLE ON PRINCE OF WALES ISLAND ,ALASKA |
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Sea Wolf
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:24 am Post subject: |
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I always run it dry after disconnecting the fuel line or shutting off the fuel at the valve. Pull the choke out after it starts to sputter to get it all the way clear of fuel.
I figure that since you're running the engine at idle or slightly above with no load on the engine, the 2 cycle oil keeps it lubricated well during the process.
Varnish from dried fuel/oil mixture is the ever-present evil that screws up most small motors, whether they are outboards, lawn and garden tools,, or whatever.
Get it out one way or another!
Joe.  _________________ Sea Wolf, C-Brat #31
Lake Shasta, California
 
"Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered'. " -Annonymous |
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Chris Bulovsky
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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I may be doing it wrong but I never run my engines dry. Knock on wood I have avoided carb. trouble with my motors. I do splash the fuel tanks every once in a wile with sea foam. Not religious about it but I go heavy in the fall. To prep for winter. I am able to get the motors running 3-4 times a week in the summer that may be helpful to prevent varnish...I really don't know for sure. I would disconnect the fuel lines on my smaller 2 strokes as heat will force fuel into the motors from an the tanks from time to time. Never had trouble with the C-Dory doing that.
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C-Dawg
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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If you're not going to use the boat for a couple weeks, do people run the big motor (with carbs) dry, also? When people had older cars with carbs, did they run the motors dry before going on vacation for a couple weeks?
Just wonderin'. _________________ Rick & Shirley
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Dan McNally
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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I always run the motors dry after use, I have never had a fuel related problem.
Dan |
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Matt Gurnsey Dealer
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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The issue is the ethonal.
If left in the carb, the ethonal will absorb moisture from the air, and this ethonal / water combination is very corrosive. We've seen aluminum carb bowls seriously damaged by the corrosive action of the ethonal.
Run the small engine dry if you won't be running it for a few days or more, and run Sta-Bil marine formula all the time (1 oz in 10 gallons for normal use, 1 in 5 for winterization). Our customers doing this have had fewer problems. _________________ Matt Gurnsey
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westward
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Is Honda still the only mfg. whose carb bowls have a drain screw? Sure seems like a simple and inexpensive way to avoid this problem. Unfortunately from what I understand Honda's smaller portables under 8 hp aren't the strongest players in their outboard lineup. Best, Mike. |
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Matt Gurnsey Dealer
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Last time I looked Yamaha and Suzuki had drain screws. |
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C-Gypsy
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Matt Gurnsey wrote: | Run the small engine dry if you won't be running it for a few days or more, and run Sta-Bil marine formula all the time (1 oz in 10 gallons for normal use, 1 in 5 for winterization). Our customers doing this have had fewer problems. |
Matt ~ Any issues with using too much Sta-Bil? I picked some up today and plan to add it to my tanks. Hard to say exactly how many gallons are in each tank though.
IIRC my 2006 22 Cruiser has 20 gallon tanks. Does that sound right?
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SeaSpray
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the responses. Sounds like the majority either run it dry or drain the carb. I have the Tohatsu 6hp and will start doing the same. |
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Doryman
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:03 am Post subject: |
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Note just for clarity that the discussion here is about older motors, with actual carburetors. Newer motors all have fuel injection and AFAIK running dry is never necessary with FI.
Warren _________________ Doryman
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letitride
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:50 am Post subject: |
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I just spent ~1.5 hr removing the carb from my 5hp honda it has some dried up fuel deposit in the float bowl that came loose and plugged the jet.
Some compressed air fixed it mighty quickly, and I scrapped out the hardened fuel deposit from the float bowl.
this thread is perfect timing - I usually out of habit run my Carb motors dry at the wash out station, however there are a few launch ramps in California that do not allow you to run the motor at the cleaning station (going greener I guess) . Last trip out I used one of them then tow 8 hrs' home so I never got to run them dry and guess what had to clean the carb on the kicker my main motor was fine
RUN THE CARB/FLOAT BOWL DRY if it's allowed at the wash out station every time.....it's a good habit. |
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Sea Wolf
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Doryman wrote: | Note just for clarity that the discussion here is about older motors, with actual carburetors. Newer motors all have fuel injection and AFAIK running dry is never necessary with FI.
Warren |
Good point, Warren!
And I guess the fuel injection systems are petty much alcohol tolerant, at leas they seem to be so.
This is another good reason to use a fuel additive that acts both as a gas stabilizer/preservative and increases the alcohol tolerance of the engine and fuel system.
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