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Doryman
Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 3807 City/Region: Anacortes
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Lori Ann
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Robbi wrote: | If you want to try it while on your northern trip I will tie you up a fly or two. No guarantees! |
Robbi, two questions:
1. What patterns and sizes do you prefer for this bucktailing technique?
2. What is your actual speed when trailing a bucktail behind the boat? I have not been able to find a good answer to this question other than it is faster than trolling. For instance, my typical cruising speed (on plane) in the Tom Cat is in the low 20s. Off-plane, maybe 6 mph.
Thanks!
Warren _________________ Doryman
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Robbi
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 1193 City/Region: Chambers Bay
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2023
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Warren, You can bucktail with just about any big streamer fly, or a "bucktail" fly, which is a streamer fly tied with bucktail or polar bear hair. I sometimes use flies that have some foam incorporated into the body like a "mog" or a "popper". Most flies used are between 3 and 6 inches in length. The fly just needs to make some kind of V wake, or motion that attracts the fish.
In Les Johnson's book Fly-Fishing for Pacific Salmon he has a chapter dedicated to bucktailing. Not sure if you have the book or not, but the first editions of the book did not include this chapter. Not because bucktailing is a new method of fishing, it has been around in British Columbia for many years, but because Les thought that only techniques that involved casting a fly should be included in the book. He now says that because trolling a bucktail fly in salt water was the precursor to actually casting flies for salmon in both Washington and British Columbia, that it deserves a chapter. "The Fine Sport of Bucktailing and Skipflying".
Generally you troll the fly at speeds that just keep the fly on top of the water, or as fast as 6 or 7 knots. The fly is usually not more than 30 feet behind the boat right in the prop wash. Other things work too, and part of the fun for me is to try different things to see if you can attract fish. I had a king of about 20 pounds come up to the surface in the bright sunlight and take, and very quickly spit out, a pink form popper that was moving at about 5 knots. Maybe he didn't spit it out, maybe I pulled it out of his mouth.
Robbi _________________ 2023 C-Dory 23 Venture Sport
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B~C
Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 2872 City/Region: Bend
State or Province: OR
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:25 am Post subject: |
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those bucktails are pretty durn effective behind a dodger on a downrigger too, bucktails, there not just for flyfishing anymore.
in the vein of minimalist gear, every summer I ask if anybody would be interested in the ultimate macho fishing experience and nobody is ever interested....bunch of wimps.....it seems nobody wants to go noodling for ling cod or halibut
check with your doctor to see if bucktails are right for you _________________ Ken
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rogerbum
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 5928 City/Region: Kenmore
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:36 am Post subject: |
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B~C wrote: | those bucktails are pretty durn effective behind a dodger on a downrigger too, bucktails, there not just for flyfishing anymore.
in the vein of minimalist gear, every summer I ask if anybody would be interested in the ultimate macho fishing experience and nobody is ever interested....bunch of wimps.....it seems nobody wants to go noodling for ling cod or halibut
check with your doctor to see if bucktails are right for you |
I'll go noodling for ling cod with you but I'll need some instruction. I'll probably need to watch you pull up 4 or 5 big ones before I understand the method. I figure if you can get past two (one for each arm) or 4 (one for each limb), then I'm willing to try it out. _________________ Roger on Meant to be |
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MilesandMiles
Joined: 04 Oct 2010 Posts: 335
State or Province: MN
C-Dory Year: 1992
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Casey wrote: | P E R F E C T ! ! !
...just what I was looking for!
Thanks Captain!
Best,
Casey |
I love these back to basics threads...for rookies like me Thanks! |
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