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C-Nile
Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 638 City/Region: Connecticut
State or Province: CT
C-Dory Year: 2012
Vessel Name: Betty Ann
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Bob -- I tried the lever, wiggled everything you can think of, but did not disconnect the power. You are right: with these modern computer control modules, they can get locked up. That might have worked! And I should have realized this, because I deal with this sort of thing all the time in my line of work. As for a kicker, it is being installed this week -- particularly it will be valuable in situations where SeaTow is inaccessible.
Warren, Chris -- I am looking in iboats and have not found anything yet, but shall persist
Bill -- this is electrical, no question about it.
Actually, I think Suzuki makes a great engine, however, my wife and I are rattled not knowing when, where or if the engine will ever die on us again. However, we are looking at this positively now. Anyone with a single engine, regardless of how old it is, or who manufactures it, is at risk every time they take their boat out. They could spin a prop, get tangled in fishing line -- anything. My wife and I will be prepared next time. And one quick comment about anchor line -- I had a perfectly fine anchor with only 100 feet of line. This was foolish. My boat quit in the middle of a deep channel, and we actually needed another 180 feet to achieve a 7-to-1 ratio. An anchor is the best safety equipment one can have, and I won't make that mistake again.
Thanks everyone,
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cemiii
Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 419 City/Region: Alamo
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1987
C-Dory Model: 22 Angler
Vessel Name: The Last One........ III
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Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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In iboats.com it is best to join up and ask your specific question. The search feature returns too many non pertinent threads (just like another boating forum I know). Someone will almost always try to answer within a few hours.The moderators are usually pretty savvy with the brand but I do think they generally tend to be more experienced with older models. But it sounds like maybe you've found your problem.
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C-Nile
Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 638 City/Region: Connecticut
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C-Dory Year: 2012
Vessel Name: Betty Ann
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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All,
Our dealer finally got to the bottom of the problem with our Suzuki engine: there was a manufacturing defect in the wiring harness in which a gray wire was not properly seated in its connector. This was a very difficult problem to find, because it was so intermittent. The engine would shut down at full throttle, and would not restart. There was no power to starter, but the power trim/tilt motor and gauges were powered. Eventually, the problem would clear, run for several miles, then fail again. Only in the last two weeks did it fail to a point where the problem could be successfully diagnosed. It was a devil of a problem to find, and it sure looked like the engine kill switch at first. What made it eventually fail was the consistent use of power trim/tilt motor, which caused flexure of the wires and an eventually hard failure of the connector. We've run the motor for approximately 10 hours since it has been fixed, and we've had no problems. The engine is running like a top!
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YACD
Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 74 City/Region: Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: MD
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Wefings wrote: | Look for a bad wiring harness between control box and engine.
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Wefings Dealer
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2086 City/Region: Panhandle
State or Province: FL
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Just an educated guess............
Marc _________________ Wefings Marine Website
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C-Nile
Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 638 City/Region: Connecticut
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Vessel Name: Betty Ann
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Marc of Wefings -- I should of listened to you from the beginning. Both the dealer and I thought is was the kill switch or possibly the neutral safety switch. Next time, if there is a next time, I will pay much closer attention to you, because you obviously have a lot of experienced with these sort of failures.
Thanks!
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Wefings Dealer
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2086 City/Region: Panhandle
State or Province: FL
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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They will drive you batty . Im glad you are back up and running , Im sure your dealer will look at that if it pops up on another motor .
Marc |
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mdoug
Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 53 City/Region: Meredith
State or Province: NH
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Mikey
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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This fall of 2010 my 90hp Suzuki started normally, then ran rough. I shut it down, and it wouldn't restart on several tries. When it did start, I smelled strong odor of gas. Made it to my marina, where mechanic diagnosed "blown fuel line" inside cowl. Could that have been caused by a faulty harness install, engine vibration or what? _________________ Mikey |
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BrentB
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 4420 City/Region: Greenwood
State or Province: IN
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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I suspect the fuel hose was faulty due poor materials, age, construction or if the gas contains alcohol and fuel line was not rated for alcohol, the fuel line broke out from the inside. _________________ Brent Barrett |
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matt_unique
Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 1881 City/Region: Boston
State or Province: MA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:07 pm Post subject: Fuel line |
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The Suzuki manual suggests replacing the fuel line every 2 years. I keep an eye on mine, specifically the portion in the direct sunlight.
I'm glad to hear there was no other damage or fire.
I see you are not too far from my neck of the woods. _________________ Captain Matt
Former owner of Napoleon (Tomcat) Hull #65 w/Counter Rotating Suzuki 150's. |
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mdoug
Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 53 City/Region: Meredith
State or Province: NH
C-Dory Year: 2005
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Many thanks, Fellows! I'm sure that the fuel line should have been checked and replaced.
Does ethanol in today's fuel cause deterioration of fuel lines?
Cap'n Matt, we're on Winnipesaukee. Love our C-Dory! |
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Lots of info on the 'net about this subject. According to one source:
"Periodically inspect/replace fuel lines.
Again, solvents are the culprits. They compromise the integrity of fuel lines, restricting flow, and they decompose fuel tank pickup tubes, leading to loss of fuel supply to the engine. New fuel lines resistant to deterioration are available from Mercury Marine, marked “USCG Type B1-15-SAE J1527 EPA Compliant.” The line is gray to resist damage from sunlight. A good rule of thumb: If a fuel line leaves residue on your hands, change the line."
The "solvents" in this case are those contained in the ethanol fuel.
Charlie _________________ CHARLIE and PENNY CBRAT #100
Captain's Cat II 2005 22 Cruiser
Thataway (2006 TC255 - Sold Aug 2013)
Captain's Cat (2006 TC255 - Sold January 2012)
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BrentB
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 4420 City/Region: Greenwood
State or Province: IN
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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mdoug wrote: | Many thanks, Fellows! I'm sure that the fuel line should have been checked and replaced.
Does ethanol in today's fuel cause deterioration of fuel lines?
Cap'n Matt, we're on Winnipesaukee. Love our C-Dory! |
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:09 pm Post subject: fuel hoses made in Malaysia
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I heard that in this months BoatUS web Magazine but do not have acess to the article, they have an excellent article about fuel hoses made in Malaysia and other places that state they meet the appropriate standards when they don't. Can cause serious problems as they tend to start to deteriorate immediately, especially when exposed to ethanol. They were used by both manufacturers and aftermarket, as they thought they met all requirements. The bottom line is that you should check your hoses for the country of origin as well as the specifications printed. The only ones you can be sure of as made in the USA. |
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