HONDA BFP 60 !

[Redƒox]

alright, i had an epiphany - yes, i changed my mind, yet again, maybe

it's either going to be the new 70 yami 4-hooler, or this new 60 hondy 3-holer!

the hondy is going to give me i want/need in electrical, far more than the yami

yes speed will no doubt we lost, but being tuned for speeds -probably- about 20 mph? this will be fine! most of the time your doing 20 or less anyway, in normal conditions!

also, im sure by taking 300 lbs off my it changes everything, and the economy should be fantastic! bets are the hondy will squek-out the yami in miliage?

i once had an old Evenrude Comercial 2-stroke 2-holer that litteraly made the 22 classic jump onto step faster than any other engine - part of that was the weight reduction, to be sure! but there was somthing i just loved about being that nimble to!

take a look this little beasty

http://marine.honda.com/Products/modeldetail/BFP60

i do have a dealer here i like for hondy to

[Big Mac]

Greg, sounds like a nice engine, we have twin Honda 40hp's on the Mary Ellen and are really happy with them. They are 2001 models and I have had 0 problems. One thing I would check out, is putting a PermaTrim on. It will really help you get up on step and also control the bow for handling. Will be waiting to hear about your final decision with interest. Check out the photo album for pics of the PermaTrims on the Mary Ellen. Good luck with your decision, Big Mac.

[hardee]

Hi Gregg,

I can sure see some reasons you would want to go with the Honda, (weight reduction and bump up in electrical power), but I am running 80hp now, and I would certainly NOT want to reduce that HP. Of course, I am running twins (Yami 40's), and some say I loose some HP due to the drag of the second leg, but either way, it is still well above 60hp, and I would not want any less power. Right now we cruise fine at 75% throttle, but there are times that that extra is needed, and I can't imagine running on less.

True, not very often, but when that condition comes around, there isn't much delay between realization and need for actuation.

Good luck in your search,

Harvey
SleepyC [/i]

[Redƒox]

i agree, but power is always in proportion to your weight, this is how we zoomed all over creation with the 55 and 70 2-stroke mains, in that past - both the h and y are competitive with 2 strk power to weight, back when i was running the orginal motors on the redfox (70 and 15 jonys) i could plane on the 15 alone!

it might be the old classic has a slower planing speed though?

durring the epiphany i realized lightening up boat througout, there are some easy ways to do this, also i really think the oil age could be over, or we're going to be held hostage by it so converting-over to a minimalist c-dory for the near future

also; im cuting back on slip time, maybe give up the slip? i have no gripes about oil changes this way, having to pull her out for iol changed was a drag - but going back to trailering and loosing the bottom paint which also slowed her down is going to mean a lot less cost and more efficiency.

[Hunkydory]

Greg

Agree with Harvey. Think the 60 hp not quite enough to make you .

With our twin 40's on the ocean heavy loaded & propped right for rpm we max out at 20 mph and can cruise at 80% of power between 13 and 14 mph. With 60 hp loaded up for a trip you may not be able to get on step even with the perfect prop. On Yellowstone Lake we lose at 8000 ft near 20 of our 80 hp, so I'm familiar with operating with 60 hp. We use the same prop setting with same results when loaded heavy at sea level as we do loaded medium at 8000 feet, so it can be done with your 20 mph estimate. Thing is if you want to load up occasionally with more people and stuff it ain't gonna work. We found that out too on Yellowstone lake when we were forced to go at displacement speed with extra people and supplies aboard.

Jay

[Redƒox]

no my son ...

2 40's = 428 lbs these also lack the slow speed thrust of the new 60

1 BPF 60 = 256 lbs with the power-thrust big footy on it

im tellin ya mon, the fox went like stink with the old light weight 55 Evenrude, even with passengers and ful on fuel

is it just the classic that is so efficient? i do think she is lighter though? [/b]

[Redƒox]

still studyin up on the new hondy mon; i really like the notch-down in rpm over the new yami almost another grand! also, this hondy has what i seek in any 4 stroke - - - BELT driven cam

also, i can always opt for one more 60 by going to a transom bracket - if i change my mind .... again

[Hunkydory]

I should have read the link you provided to the 60 hp Honda before responding. I was thinking the 60 hp Honda to be similar to the 50 with its rpm making the difference in hp & torque being the same. You just may have hit on something that will work well for you.

Very few times have I wished we could do more then the 12 to 16mph we normally cruise on step and the majority of our cruising now is at displacement speed. On one 405 mile run this year between fueling over 300 of it was at displacement speed.

Jay

[Redƒox]

hey you gize KOOL albums! the permatrim looks great!! was wanting to fab something up just like that, but forgot to :0\

HD - you been around dude! with 11,000 miles on the fox since 8 2006 (here in SE AK) i stil ain't got seen that country you saw! i did do kake and rocky pass last year:]

i really should go with the 70?

when our fuel in wangel hit 530 a gallon a while back, i began cutting weight, when i do that i notice a dif even with the all-powerful f-115.

i am still wanting to cut more weight

thanks for the post guys - your helpin!

[Fishhawk]

Good fer yew Red,

Though we run twin Honda 40's and love them, rarely do whip up all of our horses. WEIGHT requires more WEIGHT to move it. Any time you can reduce weight you can reduce the power needed to move it which reduces even more weight Thanks for bringing this new motor to our attention. Have you compared it with E-Tec? They are pretty light as well, but without the low speed thrust.

With all your experience with smaller motors, I have a feeling that you just might be on to a winner here. Economy is one of the reasons we like our boats so much. I applaud inovation and will be watchin for your posts.

Dan

[Redƒox]

hey i enjoyed your album mon i don't know, sumpins tellin me to go Honda this time that new 60, from my experience of having a 55 close to the same weight, is building inspiration! maybe the rigging is interchangeable so i can trade in the 60 H for the 90 H, if i ain't happy? with 8 to 10 dollar a gallon fuel on the horizon soon maybe?, inspiration calls:)

i heard some dirt on the new 90 H, i asked my dealer and he sed it is true so long as the oil was compromised - - - im talking about the new 90 H throwing timing chain! the talk is probably true, the engines were most likely not maintained, this is the major flaw of timing chains - never neglect the oil.

well anyway - with Honda a 5 year warranty

[rogerbum]

So, the previous mantra of "the boats love a heavy stern" is being given up in favor of a lighter engine and better overall performance/gas mileage?

BTW - nice to see you back even though the last little but of your previous time here was a tad acrimonious. Bygones I say. Most of the "old crowd" is still here and happy.