22 cruiser powered with a Honda 50

hardee · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:22 am Post subject: with twin 40's

That Honda50 with 600 hours should be just past a good break in.If it won't go for several thousand hours,get rid of it and get Yamaha Twisted Evil

Seriously, the least expensive and perfectly sound upgrade would be to add another single 50, and convert to twins. Plenty adequate power, and superb handling.

The single 50 will do the hull speed cruising, but will be, (as noted several times above), seriously overworked, at more than 6-7 knots.

Harvey
SleepyC Moon

with twin 40's

Fishhawk · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:22 am Post subject:

jennykatz · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: cd-22 honda 50

I bought a 99 cd-22 cruiser witha 50 hp honda on it . This is how cuttler marine did their boats in Maryland .On the sea trial we had 3, 220lb men on board she would do16mph (gps) and would plane off at 10mph .

I replaced the 50 with a 90 Suzuki (06) and sold the 50 for $1500 to a friend . Looking at your options I would look over the whole package elec ,trailer canvas etc Then decide adding a 90 will probably add $8000-10,000 to overall package but then deduct what you get for the 50honda and there is your price . If you plan to keep the boat more then a few yrs you will be happy with your decision and resale will be a lot better .Or you can look for another boat with the right Hp. and mayber price will be better ?

20dauntless · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:39 pm Post subject:

I'm not so sure that another 50 would be the cheapest option. Remember for twins you'd have fiberglass repair costs to fill the original holes and the cost of rigging two engines. For the single 90, the engine would cost ~$2000 more than the new 50 but (if you stayed with Honda) would require no additional controls, etc. The bolt holes would stay the same (I think) and you could sell the original 50 for ~$2,000 I would think, saving the cost of fiberglass repair and controls/instruments for the second engine.

But I'd ask a dealer to be sure...

seabeagle · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject:

Who says 50's are for16's. I'd like to see a 75+ on my 16.

Wefings · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject:

The new 70 Yamaha would be sweet !
Marc

Matt Gurnsey · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:05 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I'm hoping to sell a 70 soon so we can sea trial it and see if it's everything Yamaha says it is. If it is, it could be one very sweet engine.

seabeagle · Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:10 pm Post subject:

How does the weight of the 70 compare to the 50?

Captains Cat · Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:23 am Post subject:

According to the Yami website, the 70 is 257# and the 50 is 237#.

One # per extra HP!

Charlie

jennykatz · Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: Yamaha 70

the new Yami 70 is the same block engine as the 50-60 (60 cu in)engines but I believe it has the VVT and 4valves per cylinder giving it more hp

It looks like a nice engine probably very fuel efficient nice for a 16or 19 but if price was close I would opt for yami 90

Matt Gurnsey · Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:03 pm Post subject:

We have been told that the new 70 is not the same block as anything currently in the Yamaha line up, although looking at the bore / stroke and displacement it matches the 50/60. It weighs about 260 pounds. It also looks much smaller than other 70's on the market, and weighs slightly more than the Yamaha 50/60. I wish I had a 50 or 60 in stock to compare it too.

Doryman · Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:36 pm Post subject:

Matt -- A question about gearing for Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki. I have noticed that Suzuki gearing is more aggressive than that of Yamaha and Suzuki. For the 150s:

Honda -- 2.14:1
Yamaha -- 2.00:1
Suzuki -- 2.50:1

Several people here prefer Suzuki for performance. I am wondering why the other manufacturers don't match those gear ratios -- I don't believe the lower gear ratios on the Hondas and Yamahas result in significantly more economy, if reports from the field are to be believed. So what are the tradeoffs here?

Thanks,
Warren

Sea Wolf · Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:17 am Post subject:

Doryman · Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:37 am Post subject:

colobear · Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:53 am Post subject:

One thing to consider that has not been mentioned here, I think, is the charging capacity of the engine alternators. We run 2006 Honda 40's and are happy with them as engines but each has just a 10 amp charging capacity, 20 amps together. That means the charging the batteries, even underway, will take a very long time. Newer Honda engines, I understand, have higher capacity alternators as do Suzuki and Tohatsu.

Were we to re-power today I would look seriously at charging capacity and weight as critical factors and would strongly consider Suzukis.