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Chester
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| lloyds wrote: | | ...If I can get on the water this weekend... I am going to check the wakes. |
I've heard of checking the wake but have no idea of how far back the wash-wave-prop wash should converge.
OMC suggests starting at 1/2" toe in for V hull boats. Boston Whaler suggests 1/2" to 3/4" for their boats. I've read deeper V hulls need more toe in than flatter bottemed boats.
colobear in an old post (04-21-2008) stated that Karl the engine guy at EQ Marine said a little toe in is wanted. |
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Hunkydory
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
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City/Region: Cokeville, Wyoming
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Vessel Name: Hunkydory
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:33 am Post subject: |
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I should have measured twice and posted once on this thread instead I remeasured after returning from work and found in my rush to measure and post before having to leave for work had given wrong measurement. The correct measurement on the Hunkydory is 24" at the props and 23" at the center of steering attachment ears, so the props are towed out. Always thought it steered good and hate to mess with what seems to be working, but now thinking maybe I do need to adjust.
Jay
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Byrdman
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:39 am Post subject: |
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This thread reminds me of my youthful days in Dad's hardware store and later years in Lowes prior to working a few years for Uncle Sam. When selling someone a new screen door, you have to ask... is it left or right hinged????? About 95% of the time, the person being asked the question, would, for what ever reason in the world, turn away from me and then act like they were swinging the screen door open and going thru the door at their home. They would turn back around and face me, and give me the answer.
I always wondered why they felt the need to turn around first? Maybe they wanted me to follow them inside and have a beer for helping them with the door???  I do not know.   
Write this day down in history. I even took the time to run spell check on the above statement and ZERO mispelled words.... OK, so maybe I need to ask the administrators if spell check is broke...or toed in or out.
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Aloysius, Sold to Brother Mike Mar16
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JamesTXSD
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City/Region: from island boy to desert dweller
State or Province: AZ
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C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: "Wild Blue" (sold 9/14)
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| Byrdman wrote: | ...
Write this day down in history. I even took the time to run spell check on the above statement and ZERO mispelled words.... OK, so maybe I need to ask the administrators if spell check is broke...or toed in or out. |
One in a row!  Well, except for the word "mispelled"   |
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T.R. Bauer
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C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Whisperer
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| I really have a hard time believing that a half an inch (or so) makes a hoot of a difference on something that goes so slow (our boats) cruising in something with comparably little friction (water compared to tires on the pavement). Certainly there is a reason for the recommendation for toe in or toe out as there has to be some specification, tolerance, or guideline, because that is what engineers do. But if the boat tracks straight and you're happy with it, why mess around? |
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hardee
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Milehog Said:
| Quote: | | " If your toes are closer together than your heels think of that as toe in. If your toes are farther apart than your heels call it toe out. If you're built like me your toes are in the front... " |
Jay Said:
| Quote: | | "The correct measurement on the Hunkydory is 24" at the props and 23" at the center of steering attachment ears, so the props are towed out." |
Jay, assuming the center of the steering attachment is forward, and the props are aft, wouldn't your measurements indicate a "toe-in" situation. I am thiniking that an imaginary pair of lines showing the forces from the steering attachments to the props would intersect forward of the engines. IMHO that looks to me like a toe-in setting. 
Not a mechanic
Harvey
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Chester
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| T.R. Bauer wrote: | | I really have a hard time believing that a half an inch (or so) makes a hoot of a difference... |
I assure you, 5/8" made a huge difference in how our boat handled.
Twin engine inboard boats add toe in to their rudders too. |
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Chester
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| cbgale wrote: | | ...In the automotive world, toe-in means that the front of the tires are closer than the back of the tires. In a boat, the thrust lines are convergent. There is not an automotive counterpart. |
You know, maybe there is. The front tires control the vehicles direction and need toe for stability. The (twin) outboards control the boats direction and use toe in for the same reason.
I 'spose the no feedback steering (with it's clutches 'n stuff) on our boat could be more sensitive than hydraulic steering systems, for instance.
Damn screen doors...  |
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Hunkydory
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
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City/Region: Cokeville, Wyoming
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Vessel Name: Hunkydory
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| hardee wrote: | Milehog Said:
| Quote: | | " If your toes are closer together than your heels think of that as toe in. If your toes are farther apart than your heels call it toe out. If you're built like me your toes are in the front... " |
Jay Said:
| Quote: | | "The correct measurement on the Hunkydory is 24" at the props and 23" at the center of steering attachment ears, so the props are towed out." |
Jay, assuming the center of the steering attachment is forward, and the props are aft, wouldn't your measurements indicate a "toe-in" situation. I am thiniking that an imaginary pair of lines showing the forces from the steering attachments to the props would intersect forward of the engines. IMHO that looks to me like a toe-in setting.
Not a mechanic
Harvey
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Harvey
Could be sleep deprivation from my weird rotating shift schedule  |
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hardee
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:55 am Post subject: to work nights, be born with headlights |
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| Quote: | | "...sleep deprivation from my weird rotating shift schedule" |
Jay, now there is a real health nemesis. We can blame it on Edison and followers. If humans were meant to work nights, they would be born with headlights 
....and it would be toe in, right?
Harvey
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Hunkydory
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Vessel Name: Hunkydory
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| Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, Harvey, I agree the set up is toe in even if the props are tow out. |
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lloyds
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| I set the engines at 1/2" toe in and took it out yesterday for a test. Ran great but I have Morse steering, not the NFB steering, and I have bad steering torgue to the right so I can't tell if the toe-in is correct or not. I asked the dealer where I bought it to check the fins on the skeg and he said he adjusted them but I think I need more. Even at idle, when I take my hands off the wheel it creeps pretty rapidly to the right. |
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