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Ron on Meander



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: Ride Difference between 22 and 25 Reply with quote

Hello all,
Could anyone who has had the pleasure of riding on both the 22 and the 25 comment on the difference in the way the boats handle.
Is the 25 any smoother in a chop? Is it faster on slower than a 22 in the same conditions? How does it handle compared to the 22 when docking or trolling.
Comments appreciated.
Cheers
Ron
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D5800877351



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sure, thats what I want to know as well, all I know is that the 25' is wider, longer (well, of course), and taller... Laughing
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Helen O



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll throw my 2 cents in here.
The 25' is 10 inches wider, 3 ft. longer and about 1200 lbs. heavier than the 22'.
The 1200 lbs. is just the extra hull weight. You have to consider that you'll be using a larger motor, bigger fuel tanks, and because there is more storage in the 25' you'll be carrying more stuff. When it's all said and done, you'll be towing just about an extra ton of boat and trailer behind your rig with the 25'. The extra weight will also mean more fuel consumption and it will be more cumbersome and less responsive in handling. However, the upside is that the chop will affect it less.
Speed is going to be about the same if comparing the 135/150 on the 25' to the 75/90 on the 22'

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terraplane



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:20 am    Post subject: 22' and chop Reply with quote

This is slightly off the topic, but maybe i can get some insight into a question I have. I'm about to be the owner of a new 22. I've been boating for years, but always in a trawler style, 8 kt. boat...on Chesapeake Bay. A chop of 1 to 2ft. is common..big rolling seas almost never.

So, my 12 year old, Sally, wants to know if this new boat is going to be just pounding her to pieces..

So, if the boat planes at about 10? and there is a chop...do you stay down on a non planing level at say 8 kts? Can you go faster and not be knocked around? I keep reading thea dvice to go slow, but want to know what "slow" is considered to be.

tom/terraplane
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Pat Anderson



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:09 am    Post subject: Re: 22' and chop Reply with quote

CD22s and 1-2 foot chop has been a frequent topic around here. First off, you do NOT need to drop off the plane in 1-2 foot chop! Here is my $0.02 worth, after two years (270 hours) spent a lot in the 1-2 foot and larger chop of the Strait of Georgia (actually, we consider 1-2 foot chop "calm" in the Strait!). First, get trim tabs so you can get the bow down. This made a considerable difference in our perception of the CD22's capabilities in chop. Second, back off until you find the speed where you are not pounding your brains out. I know this is not real specific, but it really does depend. For sure, it is not running at 20 - 25 mph (that is pretty much reserved for glassy smooth waters), but more likely somewhere between 12 - 18 mph (I would say 18 is probably pushing it). Sometimes you find the ride you want just by backing off from 18 to 16 mph, sometimes you have to slow down more. Third, you do not want to be taking the chop head on - quartering it is about right in our experience. Just remember, if you wanted a really fast boat, you would not have chosen a C-Dory! You'll love it for all its other virtues!


terraplane wrote:
This is slightly off the topic, but maybe i can get some insight into a question I have. I'm about to be the owner of a new 22. I've been boating for years, but always in a trawler style, 8 kt. boat...on Chesapeake Bay. A chop of 1 to 2ft. is common..big rolling seas almost never.

So, my 12 year old, Sally, wants to know if this new boat is going to be just pounding her to pieces..

So, if the boat planes at about 10? and there is a chop...do you stay down on a non planing level at say 8 kts? Can you go faster and not be knocked around? I keep reading thea dvice to go slow, but want to know what "slow" is considered to be.

tom/terraplane

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bow down seams to do the trick for me. use the motor tilt or the tabs and ge the bow down so it will cut the chop a little and 16 to 18 mph is just fine. Burns a little more gas but thats ok with me. Side note . when asking about or posting speeds some people use knots some people use mph. i try to let people know which because there is a difference. and after driving cars and fast little boats on lakes and rivers for 30 years i can not "think" in knots" but thats ok because i just set my c-80 to mph. 18 knots is about 21 mph.
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My IRA



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron,

Comparing our 22 (92 cruiser) with our 25 cruiser, there is a noticeably smoother ride in the 25 in a chop. However, our 22 did not have the trim tabs. As others above have mentioned, these boats have flatter bottoms and a sharp entry which dictate slower (economical) speeds in rougher water.

The biggest difference that we have observed is the superior stability of the 25 when drift fishing (for Halibut) on the Pacific.

Both are great boats, so you can't go wrong in selecting either one! Very Happy

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