Engines big and small

Jazzmanic · Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:28 pm Post subject: Engines big and small

Question #1 - Has anyone run a 4hp 4-stroke kicker on a 16' Angler? Would it have enough oomph to push the boat through wind and waves. I'm planning on using the kicker a lot since I'll use the boat mostly for fishing (trolling).

Question #2 - Has anyone experienced using a 4-stroke 60 hp or 70 hp on a 16' Angler. Or is that too much oomph?

Just askin'...

Peter

matt_unique · Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Engines big and small

Robbi · Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:00 pm Post subject:

Peter, I think you would be happier with at least a 5 or 6 horse for a trolling motor. I used a 9.8 only because I had one when I bought the 16. It turned out to be a nice trolling and cruising motor.
A 70 on a 16. Shocked

It would be a Thrill Ride.

Robbi

dotnmarty · Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:54 pm Post subject:

I have a 5hp kicker and it pushes at about 5mph heavy. As I recall, previous discussion consensus was that a small kicker in the 3-6hp range will push any C-Dory, even up to 22 feet, to the 4 or 5 mph displacement speed.
About the main, as you know, most people use 40 or 50hp. The factory specs indicate a top hp of 55. My 40 will push my loaded boat up to about 25mph. A friend with an angler and a 50hp can get 30mph, maybe a little more on a calm.

thataway · Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject:

When using a kicker as a trolling motor, consider how you will steer (and operate throttle). The options are an extension handle, linking to the main engine, or a separate wheel (latter unlikely in the 16).

I have related this a number of times; I have gone many miles in a 26 foot sailboat, with more wind/wave resistance than a C Dory 25, using a 5 hp outboard.

I have used the 2.5 hp suzuki as the kicker or trolling motor on the C Dory 25 and it was adequate for slow salmon trolling. Most 4 hp, and 5 hp are basically the same engine--same for even the 6 hp: for example the Suzuki 4 and 6 hp are the same displacement-basically the same engine. If it is very windy, or the waves are up, you will find that most likely you will be using your main engine. Most modern outboards throttle down well.

Stephen Williams · Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:18 pm Post subject:

I have a 4HP Mercury on my 16 Cruiser. It motors well to at least 5 mph, but I use it mainly in the St. Johns River and in the Intercoastal, both pretty calm. It's always a compromise!! The 4 HP is light, but there may be times that you'd have to use the main for trolling in heavier waters. Steve

hardee

Peter,

I used a Merc 3.3 on my Montgomery 15, (the only engine), and it was adequate. Probably more windage on that boat than on a CD16, weight might be close to the same, but hull design different. About 6 knots, with the throttle at 2/3 rds. Throttle position didn't make much difference above that.

By the way, It got way good fuel milage.

Harvey
SleepyC Moon

Captains Cat · Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:33 am Post subject:

Last fall when I was ready to haul our 22' Gloucester Sailboat, I couldn't get the 6hp Merc 4 stroke started so I put the trolling motor on the bracket (took it off the Bolger Bobcat) and "motored" about 5 miles to the Marina for the liftout. Took two batteries along just in case. Didn't make it up to hull speed but did get there. If there had been ANY wind at all, I'd have put the sails up and done it a lot quicker!!

Charlie

SEA3PO · Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:00 pm Post subject:

Steve Williams sounds like the expert... I don't troll....(to old)...but once I got caught in a wind with my inflatable that has a 4 hp... and diden't think I would ever get home.... I think I would go with the extra weight and get a 5 or 6hp... just for safety...you could use it if you had to get home in a wind... a bit heavier..I like safety.

I have twins on my 22'...each to his own.

I watched a 19' with a 90 honda....and don't think it was overpowered..so a 70 on a 16 sounds great to me... I am sure you can find brats that have that rig..

Joel
SEA3PO

Jazzmanic · Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:35 pm Post subject:

Thanks for chiming in guys. Good info about the actual use of your 4hp Stephen. Also, I didn't realize the 4hp & 6hp Suzuki's were the same motor, something to think about. Thanks Bob.

Well, it looks like my old 6hp Evinrude is up and running pretty smoothly so I'll probably use that to troll for awhile. I was just planning for the future when I'm ready to buy a new(er) 4-stroke kicker. I'll probably go with the 6hp or 5hp, the Nissan's look interesting. Cabela's sells them.

Peter

Robbi · Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:48 pm Post subject:

Peter, the Nissan is a Tohatsu. I bought a 6 hp Tohatsu from Les at EQ. Not sure if he is still selling them, but a thought.

Robbi

Matt Gurnsey · Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:16 pm Post subject:

The 16 is rated for 55 horsepower, so a 70 would be too big. A 60 would be okay, but barely.

BTW- Suzuki's 4 and 6 are the same block and weight (55 pounds short, 57 pounds long) and the new Yamaha 4 and 6 are now on the same block (60 pounds short- a few more for long).

Plus the Suzuki 6 has a remote fuel connection in addition to it's internal tank.

Byrdman · Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:16 am Post subject:

Brother Mike on GYPSY just put a kicker on prior to taking off on the loop. He put new controls on the boat as to have "twins"...and control all from the helm. One of his twins is just much larger than the other. They are not identical twins. Could you imagine a pair of identical twins in our family??

I think he has something in the 8ph high thrust Yamaha as his new kicker, and the same ol 90 that has been running for about 500-600 hours a year for ...not sure how many years now. They love the set up.

Peter: Reflecting back on my CD16 days...not many water conditions ever presented themselves as to use the full 50hp I had on her. Just a thought.

Byrdman