CD 22 Questions

[Cutty Sark]

Thanks for your replies, Lots of good info. I still am curious about the EZ steer though, does anybody use these? I love it on my current boat .I also am still wondering why a C Dory is only rated to 100 hp. For such a big boat (22 ft) it seems like it should be able to handle more. I've read posts that refer to a couple guys having or wanting 115's on their CD's. Is it purely that the boat cant handle the extra speed(gets squirelly) or is it a transom weight issue? I'm confused. I'm not a speed demon and my current boat only goes 32-35 mph, but I must admit I like haulin butt in glass, And being the fisherman that I am I will be making lots of runs to fishing grounds. Basically the only things that steer me towards an arima are the fact that you can put a larger engine on if you want to, and that its foam filled. The fishing layout is nice too, but I really need something the family will appreciate as well. Which the CD 22 fits much better.

[flagold]

HP:

Part of the issue has to do with weight -- the CD carries double it's own weight. Not a factor for most, but some of us load them very heavy. It is extremely hard to put a hp rating on such a craft, to much hp light, and the light-headed will use all of that hp with no hesitation, pitchpole, and promptly sue. Luckilly, on this type of boat the HP range is just about right for most uses. It will push a big load on plane, and it will satisfy most on glass with a light load. It is a different kind of boat, requires a different kind of attitude, and isn't for everyone's tastes though.

For those who want speed, let me suggest:


it's all relative.

The new CD's are foam filled under the bunks, so you won't be shark-bait in them either, although, from your fishing standpoint, it may be the Arima is what you should go with. The nice thing about a CD is if it doesn't work out for your plans, you're not going to lose a lot of money on the re-sale.

Good luck!

[Sawdust]

Lots of reasons why no more power on the CD - the hull was designed basically as a light weight, easily driven hull. Insurance is a factor, and my insurance company, and many others, will not insure over the builder's recommended hp.

You actually gain very little in top end going from 100 hp to 115 -- maybe 3 or 4 kmph -- and unless you are running a long way to your fishing hole that doesn't make much difference. Here in the Deception area it is a rare time you can even run at 20... the boat is not unstable at 30 or so -- don't know from there on up. Red Fox, my friend in AK, runs the 115 Yami and loves it... sweet engine, and works for him. He's a special guy with a special boat...

The 22 Arima is also a great boat, but much (MUCH) larger than the 22 CD. Great fishing boat and good family cruiser. But that rascal is big. Mine had a 130 Honda, which was adequate, but lots of folks go on up the HP line. By the time you fill up with fuel and water, and put it on an adequate trailer your gotta have a big tow vehicle. Problem with Arima - they are about 5 months out if you ordered one today. Les sold a 22 Arima the other day and the factory delivery date is about May. Plus a month or better at EQ for rigging...

Short summary -- if you want to run hard in heavy water the 22 CD just isn't the boat. Slow down and it will go any place any of the big guys go. The Arima will go faster in sloppy water, but when it gets really rough - gotta slow down. If you want it all, get the 25 Tomcat.

The CD will easily get 4 NMPG. My 22 Arima got 2. My Orca 24 got about 1.5... at 2.50+ for marine gas, just going to Hein Bank and back - where I often fish - 2 NMPG can bring the per pound price of salmon up a bit. !00 bucks a round trip is heavy for this old dude.

If you want more info, give me a PM.

Dusty

[Cutty Sark]

Well I drive a yukon, so I should be able to tow whatever I get. And I am also buying used to save $, maybe the boat following that would be new but, I find if you take your time and really look at the boats carefully you can get a good deal on a boat. Besides I could never sfford a brand new one right now. So either boat I decide on it will probably take some time to find the right one. So if I'm getting what your saying Sawdust, the C dory is fine to take to some of the further spots , just give your self a little extra time to get there. Which is fine by me. I still am leaning towards the C-Dory for the comfort factor. Most of my fishing will be in safer waters, I just want to know whatever I get is safe enough, not necessarily fast, to be able to make it to a couple places a little offshore. Thanks for the input everyone, as I said before one thing that really sterers me to the C-Dory is this group.

Sark

[SENSEI]

I have a 1983 Angler and there is narry a tag anywhere on the boat that says what the rated HP or Load should be. I believe that the newer ones have a posted limits Tag on the boat. I have looked and cannot find one anywhere or evidence of there ever having one. I only have a 90 ficht on her but sometimes I wish I had the 115 Yamaha.

[DaveS]

[Larry H]

Just a comment about horsepower rating.

The Coast Guard requires boats UNDER 20 ft to have a permanent hp rating plate attached to the hull. This HP rating is the legal maximum hp. The Coast Guard (and other marine patrols)can cite the operator for over HP and In case of an accident..........

Boats over 20 ft may have a recommended and maximum HP sticker, probably required by the manufactures insurance company.

By the way Red Fox had a 140 hp Johnson 2-stroke before he got his 115 Yamaha 4-stroke.

[Redƒox]

Incredible!! Was a pleasure reading tonight… and no, ya did not quite catch me --- “with my pants down” hehehe (better late than never)

Yes you can put a huge engine on a C-Dory! I had (as my manager Larry said) a “140 Johnson” and even it was not enough for me at times. Keep in mind, we ride “snowmachines” up here in Alaska, but not just ‘snowmachines’ --- “Mountainsleds” (aka: “Mountainsteins”) (big and bad-to-the-bone mountain mongering monsters) modified-machines that are not uncommon at all to have 200hp to about 450 to 500 pounds of sled…. And they get much badder than that! All depends on your $$.

In the grand sheem of things (sounding corney tonight---excuse me ) If I had to do it all over again, I would opt for the 150 4-st Yamaha! Yeah I’m a “Yamaha Fan” but besides that, one of the best ways I have discovered to “rig a C-Dory” is to rig them “stern heavy” with permanent-weight enough to help off-set a big shift of weight into the cabin and V-Berth (peep and gear mostly) Also; I just plain-old-like a boat that will “move-its-ass” when you want it to (thrust-control in steep waves) Not just speed, but agility out in the gulf here in AK! It’s not needed… but I just like it that way. There are times when the 115 even feels a bit anemic out there.

I spoze with insurance and all, (and/or getting a new one) you have to abide with “the rules” but do know; a C-D can handle the thrust and the added weight. Weight on the transom, in my experience is good!