22 Classic Angler - Good deal?

AK-Brando · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:12 am Post subject: 22 Classic Angler - Good deal?

Greetings,

I have been lurking on the forums for some time now, but haven't had much to contribute since I am a "wannabe". Anyway, I ran across this C-dory for sale and was wondering if anybody either knows about it, or whether it is a good deal or not.

Here is the website to check it out:
http://homepage.mac.com/mckmac/PhotoAlbum1.html

Thanks,
Brian

TyBoo · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:10 am Post subject:

Brian -

I don't know anything about the boat, of course, but it does look like a pretty fair deal if the hull is sound. A gentleman on the C-Dog site just made a deal on a 1985 Angler with older two-strokes for right around $10k. Three thousand bucks for a pair of four strokes with lots of years left in them is a pretty safe bet.

The email name for the guy selling this boat sounds familiar. I do believe he is a member here, recently joined.

If the boat is what you're looking for, it is certainly worth a trip to look it over. It's pretty close to home for you, isn't it?

The folks here are pretty good about answering questions and offering support for "wannabes", so no need to lurk in the shadows.

Good luck!

wilbe asea · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:30 am Post subject:

Well, Juneau is not that close to Valdez, especially since no road connects Juneau to anywhere you want to be, unless you are an Alaskan politician.
So, if you buy it, how much is it going to cost to get it from Haines to Valdez, or if you don't motor up the inside passage, how much to ship it, preferably on a trailer, from Juneau to Haines, where (if it were me), I would hook it to my pickup.

Other than the logistics of getting the boat out of SE Alaska, it looks like a pretty well cared for boat. Is an angler what you really want, or a cruiser?

Sea Wolf · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:56 am Post subject:

Does the boat have a trailer? I didn't see it mentioned in the ad.

Check out the owner's next boat, an Olympic 26 at the top of the page with the ad. Compare it with the CD-25 for design similarities. Very interesting. Note the extra steering wheel mounted sideways on the starboard side of the cockpit for use during fishing/trolling .

AK-Brando · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:59 am Post subject:

I actually located the ad on the C-Dog site (it's in the "more C-Dorys for sale" section) and this is what it says:

AK-Brando · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:46 am Post subject:

I just checked the price from Juneau to Haines. It's just a little over $100. I think I could probably drive from Valdez to Haines for less than $400!!

I'm surprised that RedFox hasn't mentioned all the benefits and wonders of a Classic Angler yet.... Thumbs Up

Patrout · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:33 pm Post subject:

I've been in contact with the owner of that boat. It looked good enough for us to make a deal on it last week. I sent him a deposit on it. I'll fly down from Fairbanks next week for a close-up and a test run. If all goes well, we'll finalize it and he'll do just what you have outlined: he'll put it on the ferry and I'll pick it up in Haines.

What I don't know and what I hope someone can help me with is.... what basic problems should I be looking for in the hull of this old-timer? Are there inherent weaknesses that show up over time in even a well-cared boat?

My hopes are high, but if the deal falls through for some reason, I'll post it here so someone else can take a shot at it.

Pat

Sea Wolf · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:51 pm Post subject:

Brian- Thanks for the note about the trailer. Does the boat have a heater? Note the shielding inside the rear starboard corner of the cabin and the Charlie Noble stack on the roof. Was the heater removed? The saddle tanks are a nice addition. Frees up the back of the boat for fishing and equipment.

What follows below is not an attempt to help sell this boat or any other to you, but just some thinking that the consideration of this boat and the other one on the C-Dog site have made me do about the older "Classic" design C-Dorys.

Most of us have the 1987 or later models. Those of us with the Cruisers love them for their interior amenities: galley, sink, dinette, convertible berth, private v-berth, etc. This is a conventional design that sells exactly because it has appeal to the couple/family buyer and requires little modification for most uses. The Angler, the more direct descendant of the Classic CD, is more like the original boat with a larger cockpit and a more spartan interior. The factory now even offers a Sport Fisher (I think that's the term) which is more of a day-use fishing boat without the rear cabin bulkhead and more dedicated seating.

The original Classic design probably seemed a little unorthodox and less immediately appealing to potential customers. The open rear sides of the cockpit and narrow central engine well don't look like a typical purpose designed fishing boat at the boatshow. The interior lacks finished definition of space and is missing the elements of spousal appeal and privacy that create the consensus necessary to write the down payment check. And the absolutely flat, seemingly cut off bottom was to most an enigma that just left most shoppers wondering. Thus the re-design of the boat for 1987.

But, having looked at and considered this design for a good number of years, it makes more and more sense, especially for use as a dedicated fishing machine.

The large and very open cockpit has loads of room and can be modified to accommodate a lot of fishing, crabbing, and other equipment. Rods, nets, livewells, fishboxes, traps, davits, dingies- maybe you can't have them all, but you can have more of them than with a two foot shorter cockpit with closed transom corners.

Internally, the cabin can be modified as needed for your specific needs. Lots of room there to tailor the boat to your fishing/boating plans. A
project person's dream with a few tools and a some time.

The hull's secrets are usually untold. The absolutely flat bottom rocks somewhat less at rest than a shallow v. ( and a lot less than a deep v, which the CD's are not). It planes relatively easily, like the shallow V of the later boats, and sets flat on a mud or sand bottom with the tide out, so you won't want roll out of bed when the tide takes it leave, or need a gimballed stove for breakfast. Plus, it's draft should be even shallower than the shallow V.

Overall, it appears the Classic C-Dory was very carefully and cleverly designed as a utility fishing boat with a lot of adaptability, but not very well understood by the public after the typical quick glance or look at the boatshow or dealer's lot. Probably even a good explanation of the boats qualities and design solutions by a salesman would be met with unsettled indecision unless the prospective buyer had a wealth of knowledge and experiences with fishing boats of this size and purpose.

But that's not to say that we can't today appreciate these Classic C-Dorys for what they are and how they can be used. As a dedicated fishing boat for a person who knows what they're going to do with the vessel and can determine how it fits their needs, it may be a very good fit. Especially if one likes projects and has the time to do the work. As such a boat like this actually provides a second hobby of boat modification that is entertaining in its own right.

If you'd like to see just how far this type of endeavor can lead, look at Red Fox's 1985 Classic C-Dory on the Sound Dreams link on the left menu. Fortunately, the approach can be enjoyed fully at a somewhat less intense level as well.

That just about does it, but I thought I'd just share these ideas with you for your consideration and amusement. Good luck! Joe.

AK-Brando · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 8:54 pm Post subject:

Sea Wolf - Thanks for all the good info. I haven't been able to check me e-mail to see what info the owner sent me, but it sounds like Patrout is already working on a deal with him. Good for him, not so good for me. Crying or Very sad

Patrout - Good luck on getting the boat, I hope it works out for you. Guess I'll just have to keep looking....

en_pissant · Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:12 pm Post subject:

Brian,

I have an '87 Angler that I just bought in April.

I'm actually from Juneau, but live in the Puget Sound area now, but my friends up there told me about this boat last week.

My recommendation is that you hold out for a slightly later model. That boat is pretty flat bottomed. C-Dorys pound a decent amount even with the newer hulls. I've been on the older models, and you can take a beating if you are in a hurry.

I got a great deal on my boat, but I think I would prefer the cruiser. Sure I've got more fishing area, which is very nice, but i would trade it for the interior room. If I lived in Valdez, I would definitely get a cruiser, the cruiser cockpit is more than sufficient for fishing, and the added interior cabin is significant. You wanna be warm and dry up there, and you'll spend more time inside, than out.

Just my two cent's worth.

Ross

Calcaptain32 · Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:37 pm Post subject:

I am sure thankful for the insightful tips about the Angler, in Jeneau. I had spoke to hiim too and was very tempted by the price/motors. If you think the transport for you was bad. I'm in Houston.
Jay Jones [/quote]

Patrout · Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:03 pm Post subject:

Hi Ross,

Thanks for the insight about the older flat-bottomed C-Dories. That's why I'll be taking a ride in it next week before we close the deal. The owner said it shouldn't be too hard to find some choppy water around Juneau this time of year. The ride surely can't be any bumpier than my 18' flat-bottomed river runner. (I hope.) Now there's a kidney-bruiser for you.

I know the Angler cabin is shorter than the Cruiser, but compared to a 19 footer, it seems pretty nice. I guess it depends on how many nights in a row you spend on it or how many people you want to take for a ride.

And...maybe later on it will give me a good excuse to campaign for a cruiser. :wink:

Have a good one.
Pat

AK-Brando · Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:29 pm Post subject:

Well, if you decide to back out after taking it for a test run, let me know because I am still interested. - Even after all the "negative" comments!

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SENSEI · Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:26 am Post subject:

I have read some of your thoughts about the Angler vs Cruiser. we have a 83 angler and we love it .we have just learned not to be in a hurry to get where we are going. If I was in Alaska I would surely want the angler over the cruiser because of the added cockpit room for the SHRIMP pots and CRAB pots and all the lines and bouys.we shrimp and crab with ours down here in WA and I use every sq.inch of my cockpit. I have had 4 shrimp pots,10 crab pots , all the ropes and bouys, plus buckets and shovels for a weekend of shellfishing. there is plenty of room for three of us in the cabin for day trips. would be crowded sleeping tho.
The only thing I would do to enhance my angler cabin would be to put in a heater of sorts.

there, my 2 pesos's worth...lol...