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Wandering Sagebrush



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: engel Reply with quote

Marco Flamingo wrote:
Wandering Sagebrush wrote:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zu-V0ZqfYHg


The perfect example of why I don't carry an ice chest. $2.40 for a six pack of pop. $230 for an ice chest. $10 worth of ice. Five days later, I can drink a can of pop that is 34 degrees. Of course, that 40 cent can of pop cost me $40 to drink cold. By the time I finish drinking it, it will be 54 degrees. If I didn't have a cooler and just drank it at 54 degrees, it would still cost only 40 cents. As a bonus, I don't ever have to buy ice, carry a cooler, find space for a cooler, trip over a cooler, etc.

All that cost and screwing around for a temporary delta of 20 degrees? Bah. Coolers are for kids.

Mark


Mark, get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have the 50 qt ARB. Put in two flooded acid Group 31 batteries for house load.
Set the unit to 20 degrees F. Put frozen food in bottom and layered with other non frozen on top. Went 12 days last year in July in San Juans. Anchored out all but one night at Deer Harbor with shore power.
Stayed mostly 3 nights at Sucia, Stuart, Deer Harbor and back to Sucia.
Idled Honda 150 for 30 min each day at 1500 rpm for battery maint. when anchored.
We have ours located in cockpit behind head window.
Enjoyed not getting ice.
Working well for us!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: engel Reply with quote

Wandering Sagebrush wrote:


Mark, get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Smile


Nah, I was just planning an 11 day trip with no fuel stops, no potable water, no grocery stores. But then it occurred to me . . . NO ICE CUBES!!! Great googly woogly! It can't be done!!!

It turns out that it is the same path taken by Lewis and Clark in 1805 (in 11 days). I'll have to research which refrigeration unit they used.

Mark
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone considered this fridge? It looks like it will fit under the captains' seat of a 25 http://www.suremarineservice.com/C62IXD4-F.html

Be great to know your thoughts?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kaelc wrote:
Has anyone considered this fridge? It looks like it will fit under the captains' seat of a 25 http://www.suremarineservice.com/C62IXD4-F.html

Be great to know your thoughts?

The factory option has been abut a 2.7 cu foot front opening refrigerator, which runs on both 12 volts DC and 120 V Ac, with compressor motor. The Vitrifrigo C62IXD4-F is about 1/2 cubic foot less than the factory option Norcold which runs on boat 120 V AC, as well as 12 V DC. The Vitrifrigo (good brand, but not a lot of therm around) runs only on 12 V DC, so that has to be kept in mind. It would work-but I would prefer the optioned Norcold. Any front loading ref has a considerable loss of cold air each time the door is opened.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thataway wrote:
kaelc wrote:

The factory option has been abut a 2.7 cu foot Norcold


Thanks! Do you know which of the Norcold's it would be? I've spent hours online trying to figure out which fridges would fit! I would love to fit a 2.7 in there!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kaelc wrote:
thataway wrote:
kaelc wrote:

The factory option has been abut a 2.7 cu foot Norcold


Thanks! Do you know which of the Norcold's it would be? I've spent hours online trying to figure out which fridges would fit! I would love to fit a 2.7 in there!


The one which was in my 2003 25 and I believe in the Tom Cat 255 was the Norcold DE-0051/DC-0051. That is currently discontinued, but the specs of all of the various under the seat refrigerators are on line. The boats may have varied from time to time, and when the molded interior came along, the specs may be different.

The current replacement for that is the Norcold NR751BB: 21 x 20.5 x 18.5 inches It has the Danfoss DB 35 compressor.

The NovaKool 2600 is 20 1/4in x 20 in x 18" (several other sizes)

If you wanted the max size refer for the space, then get a Frigoboat, Air Cooled Capri 35F, and remotely mount it, which would give you the entire space under the pilot seat, and you could build your own foam insulation/inside box and door. I have done this in a few boats in the past, and you get really great custom unit...with adequate insulation.

Another drawler option I have not seen used is in the C Dory : There are several drawer types by Dometic, Isotherm, and Vitrifrigo.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I removed my frig late last year. The unit started blowing fuses when on DC. I put in an Engel MT27F-U1 in its place. I was able to find a rail that could handle the weight. I tried to load pictures into the post but not working. It is in my photo album under winter projects.
We are going to use it like Greg and Cindy and freeze bottles for the cooler. It will be nice not to worry about ice anymore.
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Anita Marie



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Figured out how to post pictures.








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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks great Fred! You have room to spare for ice cream and ice cubes!

Greg

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fred it looks great.

Susan and I went round and round about did we need a fridge or not, how to manage water and ice in the ice chest. I wanted a fridge and was tired of 1) wet food 2) hauling ice 3) having multiply ice chest because some how a dead salmon is going to jump up in the middle of the night and contaminate all the food thats in a basket above the ice ???? 4) there was a four but 3 brought back to many memories of arguments between a fisherman and a over cautious bio-chemistry major and now I forgot what it was. Susan did not want the fridge because of ?? I dont remember and i am afraid to ask.

Any how I end up ignoring the expert and got a fridge at a low price. Used fridge out of another brats boat. We love it. It works great, hold a lot of food and does not run down the battery at all. We run the boat a lot and are not on anchor for long periods of time so that is not a problem for us. Susan had even admitted what a great idea it is. We still keep a ice chest for crab salmon and shrimp but that is a lot easier to handle and does not require as much ice as we do not open that chest as much without the food in it.

Oh 4) was having to finish closing the ice chest every two minutes because you cant teach that to some unnamed people.

If I was doing it today I would op for one of the flush mounted top loading fridges with a separate freezer section. fridge

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If I was doing it today I would op for one of the flush mounted top loading fridges with a separate freezer section. fridge


Tom,
I think that Isotherm system is great--but my major concern with it, is the amount of "cold" it looses when you open the drawer. It is easier to access the different shelves, than a true top loader, but because of the baskets, it may not hold as much as a true top loader also.

The Whytner 62 dual zone is about half the cost of that Isotherm, and is a true top loader. I would love to find a way to install that under one of the cabin seats--they are too big to roll out into the isle, but could be adopted to a hinged cushion top.



I have been using this in the cockpit of my 22 for the last several years, and it uses about the same amount of power (60 amp hrs day, @ 12 volts).
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m not as talented as Fred, looks good Fred, we put a new fridge in
and it is much quieter than the old one and it works. West Marine matched
the price of competition and we have cold food and sleep thru the night.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:54 pm    Post subject: Cooler Reply with quote

You know we had planned to buy a cooler and then maybe a portable ice maker but you guys about have me talked into something like that Whytner 62.
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