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dogon dory
Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 1321
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: DogOnDory
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:53 am Post subject: |
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acustis Ranger Tugs Factory Rep
Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 53 City/Region: Puyallup
State or Province: WA
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: Wallas Stove Fuel |
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I recently had a discussion with Scan Marine (Wallas Supplier) and spoke with Mike their technical guy. He now recommends that Diesel be run in the wallas. Our diesel used to be pretty bad but his explanation was that burning Kerosene or other fuels are not as fresh as diesel is. He also says that most of that stuff sits on the shelf for a long period of time. If any questions come about you might want to call the supplier direct. Most of the time they are willing to work with our customers! _________________ Andrew Custis
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Hunkydory
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2660 City/Region: Cokeville, Wyoming
State or Province: WY
C-Dory Year: 2000
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Hunkydory
Photos: Hunkydory-Jay-and-Jolee
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Agree, excellent summary by Dan
Only difference being if I can afford a $50000 boat or a $2700 heater the difference of up to $100 saved on heater cost per season is not going to prevent me from using kleen heat verses uls diesel with the advantages of I've seen with kleen heat. Preventing the stink alone is worth the 100 bucks. Maybe we have USN (ultra sensitive nose) We use about the same amount as Dan in a season here in Wyoming.
Dan, I understand the lubricity value in my duramax especially with the ULS diesel, in fact I add Stanadyne year around for just that, but not the heater. Is it the pump or what in the wallas that needs the lub for a longer life.
Andrew, we sent our wallas to Scan Marine for repair and service this fall. Told them we had been using kleen heat since they last serviced in fall of 2003. They said it looked good inside and no problem continuing to use it.
Jay _________________ Jay and Jolee 2000 22 CD cruiser Hunkydory
I will not waste my days in trying to prolong them------Jack London
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Dora~Jean
Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 1505 City/Region: Simi Valley
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard it's the pump that needs the lubricity in the fuel. I use Klean Heat in my Wallas 1300 Heater, no problems for 2 years now (knock on wood), but then again, I believe I'm only just starting my 2nd gallon! _________________ Steve & Carmen
"Great works are performed not by strength, but perseverance" (Samuel Johnson)
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seahooked
Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 164 City/Region: Redmond
State or Province: WA
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Dan.
That's the most thorough comparsion of the three fuels I've seen to date. _________________ Chris Brown
Redmond, WA
2006 CD-25 Cruiser "SeaHooked" 2006-2012 |
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TyBoo
Joined: 23 Oct 2003 Posts: 5314 City/Region: Warrenton
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 1996
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruise Ship
Vessel Name: TyBoo
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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dogon dory wrote: | Someone with more energy than me should produce a chart with the pros and cons of the three fuels and get the nerds to put is somewhere for posterity. |
Thank you, Dan. There is no way I could produce a document as excellent as your post. About the only thing I would change is one "s" to a "t" in the quoted sentence. Other than that, perfection. And it already is stored and indexed for Mr. Posterity and anyone else wanting to find it. Nevertheless, if some nerd wants to copy your words to a .pdf and upload it to the document section it would make referencing it simpler in the future. _________________ TyBoo Mike
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dogon dory
Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 1321
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Hunkydory
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2660 City/Region: Cokeville, Wyoming
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Dan---Thanks for the answer on the pump lub and good idea on the changing of just containers. Seems no matter what, when I'am messing with the diesel there's always alittle spill somewhere. Put a 56 gal tank in my pick up just so I wouldn't have to fuel it so often.
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dogon dory
Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 1321
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Wandering Sagebrush
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2770 City/Region: Northeast Oregon
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: Kleen Heat Prices |
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Dan,
Let me know if you find that source of Kleen Heat at $4/gallon!!!! Home Depot has it at $9 plus here in the Portland area.
Steve |
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JamesTXSD
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 7446 City/Region: from island boy to desert dweller
State or Province: AZ
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: "Wild Blue" (sold 9/14)
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: Kleen Heat Prices |
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Wandering Sagebrush wrote: | Dan,
Let me know if you find that source of Kleen Heat at $4/gallon!!!! Home Depot has it at $9 plus here in the Portland area.
Steve |
Not this time of year, Steve. But, come spring you can usually get it for less. _________________ Jim & Joan
CD-25 "Wild Blue" (sold August 2014)
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20829 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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My understanding of the Wallas is that it is a "drip pot" type of burner. That is that the fuel drips into the combustion chamber and the heat helps to vaporize it, and then it burns. The draft is forced by the fan, and this helps to prevent back drafts, which can be a problem with drip pot stove burners.
One of the potential problem with diesel, is that it may sit in a tank for an unknown peroid of time--so it is best to obtain it from a dealer who has a high volume. The longer it sits, the more likely there is to be contamination from algae. (generic) We have settled on Kleen Heat because there seems to be less smoke and soot--thus our feeling that there is less likely to be sooting up of the burner. We had a full tank of what appeared to be clean diesel in the tank of the CD 25. After about 8 hours of use the stove began to smoke badly. I poured out the diesel and put in Kleen Heat--and almost immediately the stove began to behave properly. I supsect that the diesel was old, even though it looked fine.
I agree about the smell, but having lived with a number of diesel engine boats, where the smell was almost always present, it does not bother us.
I would think that the lubricrity would be a greater issue with a high pressure pump--such as the injector pump in a truck or marine engine, where the pressure is close to 1000 PSI. I believe that the Wallas, is basically a lift pump--and limited to about 3 foot lift. I don't know enough to know if the rate of flow of the fuel is determined by the temp of the burner, or just the flow rate (speed or pulses) of the pump.
Pensacola is a seasonal market for Kleen Heat and in the Spring the price is reduced. I usually buy enough in the spring for the next year. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
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Hunkydory
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2660 City/Region: Cokeville, Wyoming
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:19 am Post subject: |
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Bob
It is my understanding the wallas rate of flow or burner temperature is determined by the flow rate or pump pulses which is controlled on ours by a one to six setting on the rheostat. These pulse flow rates can also be adjusted for more or less flow on the rheostat by adjusting a tiny screw on the controll board. Found this out several years a go when at 8000 feet on Yellowstone Lake and getting to much fuel for air which was causing poor starting. Called Scan Marine and they explained how I could reduce the flow. Believe target was 42 pump pulses per minute on a six or max setting.
The newer truck diesels have injector pump pressures I believe up to 18000 psi which is why they are much more water and lubricity sensitive and with the ULS diesel the oil refiners have added more lub additives. Being not quite sure if it is enough I add year around stanadyne to help even further with this. Maybe Dan knows if what they do add now at the refineries is enough to protect the new higher pressure pumps and injectors from the ULS diesel. I have read some on this and decided not to take the chance at present with the duramax.
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dogon dory
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:10 am Post subject: |
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El and Bill
Joined: 08 Nov 2003 Posts: 3200 City/Region: Lakewood, CO
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:25 am Post subject: |
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We have used Kleen Heat for about six years, with lots of use of the Wallas, and find it a great clean fuel. Once, in TN, we found it on sale (spring shelf cleaning out) at a Home Depot for $1 a jug. We bought out the whole lot! _________________ El and Bill (former live-aboards)
Halcyon 2000 CD 22 Bought 2000 Sold 2012
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