Center Window problem

flabeachcomber · Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 8:45 am Post subject: Center Window problem

Having problem keeping center window open. Has mechanism on one side, which even when tightened as tight as possible, will eventually slip in rough seas and window will gradually start closing.

I have seen discussion and adding a second mechanism, but can not find it now. Would appreciate input on how to fix.

Thanks!
Pete

Almas Only · Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 11:45 am Post subject:

It's not a real "fix", but if you want to keep that darn window open, just open it part way, loosely tighten the butterfly, open the v-berth hatch, stand up, and secure the window all the way open with an adjustable bungee cord looped around the anchor light base. You might want to put some padding in at the two spots where the window's metal frame contacts the bottom of the fiberglass roof. Obviously, not a good fix if you need to be adjusting to intermediate positions, but it really keeps the window out of your way on a hot day.

TyBoo · Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 12:05 pm Post subject:

Right here on the C-Dog site is a short discussion of this problem and a couple of possible fixes.

Another option is to contact Diamond SeaGlaze (www.diamondseaglaze.com/) and inquire about getting a window support mechanism similar to the one that is on my boat. It has slotted slides with lock screws, but there are also two notches cut into the slides that engage the fixed stud to positively hold the window in either of the two positions. Works great.

Sea Wolf · Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 1:21 pm Post subject:

Here's another quick fix from another C-Dog discussion:

From: MinnieSwann Sent: 9/3/2003 6:19 PM
I had a great weekend solving the annoying center window drop down syndrome. As anyone with an opening center window knows when things get a little rough the strut doesn't hold too well in the full open position. I happened to go into one of those hardware stores that has everything and found miniture clevis pins. I got one about an inch long that goes through a hole I drilled through the pipe part of the hatch strut ( measure your own but mine was 1 3/4 inch back from the threaded end) and prevents the solid rod from telescoping back from the full open position. 25 cents and 25 minutes. Works great and the pin clips to the strut bracket when not being used. Later,Gary on Minnie Swann.

(Joe)

Chuck S · Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 12:22 pm Post subject:

On our San Juan 28 sailboat (yep, another Seattle boat on Lake Erie) we used a spring support for years. Basically a coil spring which folds to close and when open is straight and will hold the window open by locking straight with the closing force pushing straight down the coils which touch.

I'm doing a bad job of describing it, but it's a common marine part. No adjustment, just supports the hatch in the fully open position. Can be closed instantly by pushing the spring out of the straight position.

You could still use the friction rod for partial open. The spring has no real force when it's bent out of the straight line.

-- Chuck

alg · Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 1:41 pm Post subject: Window support

Loosen the nut and give a little squeeze. That should help it grab the threads and keep the window up. I used Vice Grips and had to give it a couple of tries before it was right.

flabeachcomber · Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 5:36 pm Post subject:

GOOD NEWS!!

I think I have come up with an easy and very inexpensive solution to the center window problem. Cut a piece of tubing (the stiffer, the better) to proper length, slit one side of the tubing length-wise so tubing can easily slipped over rod on window latch. Tubing will keep window from closing.

I also tried using a piece of plastic wiring molding (home depot) that you use to put speaker wires in so you can run around room and hide wire. This molding is already split on one side (so you can slide wires in). It works equally well.

Cut several different lengths; one for window full open, one for half-open, etc, etc.

I have photo of solution in my photo album (KESTREL).

Good Luck
Pete

Jeff M · Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 64

For 2005 we are using a different supporting arm with a tension knob. It is available as an aftermarket replacement for the existing opening windows. If anyone would like the replacement arm just call the office at 253 839 0222 and we will mail it to you. It isn't too expensive.

Moxieabs · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:46 pm Post subject: Center Window Fix

I have posted photos in Widget's album of an easy fix to keep the front window open (drill press necessary). Also, some mini hand grabs in the cabin.

Levity · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 9:51 pm Post subject:

Here's another fix to the closing window problem; remove the window telescoping assembly from the bracket and from the center opening window. unthread the winged closure nut, remove the telescoping rod, remove the brass bushing from inside the winged nut. Thread a 1/4"ID galvanized union onto the threads where the winged closure nut was. Place the brass bushing that comes out of the original winged nut inside the union to ensure a close fit around the stainless telescoping rod, insert the telescoping stainless rod, drill a hole through the union and far enough into the stainless telescoping rod to create an indent at a location that will keep the window at its desired attitude. Thread the hole (not necessary to thread into the stainless), screw in a galvanized thumbscrew and replace the assembly back onto the bracket and window. The thumbscrew will engage the indent and keep the window securely open. This could be improved through the use of stainless rather than galvanized parts. I would place the photos here if I could figure out how! The pics are avilable in Levity photo album.
Levity's Michael

Alyssa Jean · Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:22 am Post subject:

Steven Dore · Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:46 am Post subject:

I called the factory to obtain the new window mechanism and was told that it was not available. I was told that they would ship an original, but it never arrived.

I also had a problem with the side opening window when the latch came loose from the glass.

Hey C-Dory, what is the situation on the window mechanisms?

The windows are the only problem on the boat.

Pat Anderson · Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:00 am Post subject:

My port side window latch also fell off, just came off the glass - lucky it didn't go in the drink. What is up with this, Jeff Messmer? This is about the fourth one that has been posted here...

Swee Pea · Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:09 am Post subject: Center Window Fix

I have been reading this thread and have been slow to make a correction on my 22' cruiser center window because the center window has held - until now. I called Diamond Sea Glaze (1-800-770-0455) and told them of the problem. They said they have a fix - and they sent me two replacement parts for FREE because my boat was a 2004.

Michael from Levity, you wouldn't believe it. They copied your design! (or did you copy theirs?) It is in essence a 2 1/2 inch tube with a "floating center". The tube is threaded on one end to replace the butterfly attachment. On this is a threaded knob which when tightened, pushes the floating center against the rod and holds the window rod in place.

To install, first disconnect the rod from the bracket located on the window frame in the boat. Two screws and nuts. Remove the old butterfly and brass bushing. (Bury them deep in your backyard for future generations to find and try to figure out what they are and for what great purpose they served - NONE) Thread the new replacement on all the way down where the butterfly once attached. There is a little set screw to hold this in place. Tighten it. Slide the stainless rod into the other end of the tube. Re-attach the bracket to the window frame. Done. Open the window to the desired position, tighten the knob, and window stays.
Cost = 0. Time = 10 minutes. It took longer to write this then it did to install it.

I don't know if Diamond Sea Glaze will send you one for free, but I do know that it can't cost much. And yes, I do have one more sitting on the kitchen counter. But you never know ......

Best Regards to all. If this post is old news, then sorry.

John
Swee Pea

Levity · Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:34 am Post subject:

John,
Thanks for the update on the center window issue. The solution I employed on Levity and posted here was original as I had not seen or heard of anyone else using such a fix, yet, a bolt and detent system to hold a sliding rod in place is hardly original, so let's credit great minds thinking alike! I will consider Diamond Sea Glaze's adoption of a bolt and detent solution for the center window problem to be validation of my humble engineering skills. Your See Pea's center window should trouble you no more!
Thanks again.
Mike 'Levity'