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jaber
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 9 City/Region: Northwest
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: TomCat Engine Question |
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Mercury Verado or Honda engines (2x150HP)?
I know Mecury vs Honda is often a question that is similar to asking about religion or politics, but I am truly interested in the general feel of some TomCat (or other!) owners.
The Mecury engine seems to be a 'bit' better on the actual performance and specs, plus everyone that has a mecury seems to really speak highly of the customer service.
Thoughts?
Thanks!
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drjohn71a
Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 1820 City/Region: Wichita
State or Province: KS
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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I've read articles about the increased manufacturing reliability in the Mercury, but I think someone on here posted the actual weights of the new Mercury engines and my memory tells me they are very much heavier than the Hondas.
The Suzui's have good records also on the TomCats. Whatever brand, you sure want the minimum weight per horsepower and I think that is the Mercury's weak point.
As far as the actual engines, more ppl use Mercury around here than any other brand, so it's not like it's an Edsel.
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Alok
Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 291 City/Region: League City
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Don't count out Suzukis if the price is right...a number of us have had good luck with Suzuki 150s. Of course, you need to have a place to service them close by. _________________ Alok
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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I've got Suzi 115's on my TC255 and at 40 knots, it pushes me as fast as I care to go at better mpg than a bigger engine....I think
Lighter and hopefully quieter too!
Charlie _________________ CHARLIE and PENNY CBRAT #100
Captain's Cat II 2005 22 Cruiser
Thataway (2006 TC255 - Sold Aug 2013)
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Wefings Dealer
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2086 City/Region: Panhandle
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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BTW,FYI, Suzuki now has counter rotating 115s for 2008 .
Marc _________________ Wefings Marine Website
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Forty Two
Joined: 16 Nov 2004 Posts: 114 City/Region: Prince William Sound
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2017
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:39 am Post subject: Re: TomCat Engine Question |
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jaber wrote: | The Mecury engine seems to be a 'bit' better on the actual performance and specs, plus everyone that has a mecury seems to really speak highly of the customer service. |
We have Honda 90s on our 24' TC. My opinion - Honda is the most reliable engine available. Performance and other specs are pretty close for all the outboard manufacturers - differences of only a few percent. IF you go waay out, as we do sometimes, the reliability factor becomes more important.
Also, after 4 summers of use on the TomCat (almost 500 hours), we have had no need for customer service. My other boat, Arima SC with '98 Honda 90, also with around 500 hours, and also has not yet had any need for customer service. _________________ John & Susan |
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matt_unique
Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 1881 City/Region: Boston
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:18 am Post subject: Twins |
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I recently went through the same decision making process. Based on my research, Suzuki and Honda were the best of the lot. I would choose one of these brands based on your ability to get local service done.
Upon closer inspection, the Suzuki 150 was lightest (474 lbs), had the highest displacement (174 ci), and comes with a timing chain. The Honda 150 offers a 144 ci engine and weighs 478 lbs. I don't know if the Honda comes with a timing chain or belt...I was not able to determine that. I was sold on the displacement, timing chain, and weight to power ratio. Mine also come with a 6 year warranty. I love Honda products though and based on my research they have an excellent record. I don't know what warranty they offer. _________________ Captain Matt
Former owner of Napoleon (Tomcat) Hull #65 w/Counter Rotating Suzuki 150's. |
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Wefings Dealer
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2086 City/Region: Panhandle
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: |
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There is a very noticable performance advantage with the Suzuki . Their gearing advantage allows them to swing big diameter 16" props which contribute to "bite" and control as well as better utilize the torque curve available with the 4 stroke design.Lower ratio means Bigger dia. prop,more Deg. of pitch=turning slower,slipping less. It works !!
Marc
BTW both brands as well as most of the others are very reliable these days .
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Twins |
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matt_unique wrote: | (Stuff clipped)
I don't know if the Honda comes with a timing chain or belt...I was not able to determine that. |
The Suzuki is indeed the only current one with a metal timing chain, the rest using fiber reinforced belts. The Johnson 4-strokes (now discontinued) were Suzukis, and would have also had a chain.
Belts like these are used in automotive applications as well and apparently do not fail or they couldn't be utilized.
Chain or belt? Probably a moot point!
I'd agree that the Suzuki is a good engine, as are all of them!
Joe. _________________ Sea Wolf, C-Brat #31
Lake Shasta, California
 
"Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered'. " -Annonymous |
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jaber
Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 9 City/Region: Northwest
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Well thanks, I only had two choices to worry about, now I have to worry about 3!
I do appreciate all the info. Would have never looked at Suzukis.
Thanks again,
Chris |
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drjohn71a
Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 1820 City/Region: Wichita
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't make the type of timing chain the deciding factor in engine choice. All timing mechanisms need routine maintenance. I like my Hondas and those with the Suzukis are happy with the larger props,etc.. Both Suzuki and Honda dealers are scarce around here.
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 21382 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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My choice of Suzuki is based on actual sea trials in the Tom Cat 255. Larger displament, means more torque and faster acelleration when you need it in working waves. Agree with Marc, about the props. If the Honda 130 gives out on the CD 25, I'll repalace it with a 175 Suzuki in a heart beat. I wouldn't worry about the location of service--they have a tremendous service record--and the 140's (similar engines) have very long (many thousands of hours) use by CG and commercial operators. _________________ Bob Austin
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Bad Boy
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: Mercury Verdos |
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I put a pair of counter-rotating 150hp Mercury Verdos on my 2008 Tomcat. It is unbelievable. My dealer took me on the sea trial and he was impressed as well. He was formerly a Honda guy. All four strokes are quiet a idle, but the Verados are unbelievably quiet at cruising speed. |
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B~C
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I would carefully study which engine had the smallest carbon footprint, paying close attention to not just the fuel consumption and emmissions, but also how the manufacturing process impacts the enviroment. After intensively studying the social responsibility of each manufacturer.....I'd get which ever one I got the best damn deal on those verados are sure quiet and smooth, the electronic controls are awsome _________________ Ken
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Wefings Dealer
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2086 City/Region: Panhandle
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: |
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I remember when a carbon footprint was when you accidentaly walked through the campfire pit on the way the campsite bahroom in the morning....................
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