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TyBoo
Joined: 23 Oct 2003 Posts: 5313 City/Region: Warrenton
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 1996
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruise Ship
Vessel Name: TyBoo
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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JamesTXSD wrote: | I told her that Mike lets me be a smart-ass here. |
That's the real reason I chickened out on meeting you two at B'ham. I always get blamed.
Actually, if your hands weren't so cut up from the previous attempts you probably have the thing sufficiently loose to not even need the screwdriver. The key is to push the wiper side on while pulling off the other side. Just pulling the wiper back away from the window doesn't relieve the tension between the hub and the shaft. It's counterintuitive (try that word on Joan). It is one of those things that you work at for a long time, give up three times, and the fourth time it just comes off and you have no idea what you did. _________________ TyBoo Mike
Sold: 1996 25' Cruise Ship
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JamesTXSD
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 7445 City/Region: from island boy to desert dweller
State or Province: AZ
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: "Wild Blue" (sold 9/14)
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Joan understands all those big words, Mike. In fact, she helps me with them when I'm reading the comics. <Insert your favorite Forrest Gump quote here>
I'll try the "push me, pull you" technique in the morning, but if that doesn't work I'm going with the explosives. I'm going out there at first light with a claw hammer, a pry bar, water pump pliers, a stack of silver dollars, a grinder and some C-4. _________________ Jim & Joan
CD-25 "Wild Blue" (sold August 2014)
http://captnjim.blogspot.com/
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Dora~Jean
Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 1504 City/Region: Simi Valley
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Dora~Jean
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:43 am Post subject: |
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I feel your pain Jim. I have yet to get either of mine removed, wanted to replace the o-ring under the washer that seals the shaft area from outside water. Gave up after about an hour and a half (times a couple of different sessions) -- you have much more patience than I, but you know, I believe I feel a burst of energy coming to go and attack it again this weekend perhaps. Been over a year since the last session...keep us posted.
Oh, and I'm not sure mine are attached in the same way, but several more years of corrosion to deal with. _________________ Steve & Carmen
"Great works are performed not by strength, but perseverance" (Samuel Johnson)
Dora~Jean C-Dory 25 2002-Present
Corsair F-31 Trimaran 1996-2002
MacGregor 26X 1988-1996
Glaspar Seafair Sedan 18 (2)
StarCraft 19 & 22
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oldgrowth
Joined: 27 Jun 2005 Posts: 2196 City/Region: Rochester
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Voyager
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:22 am Post subject: |
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Jim - if you have a Dremel with a cutting blade or small grinder, cut the cap just down to the shaft, then use a screwdriver to open it up. As long as you don’t cut too far, the shaft should be OK.
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1987
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Wolf
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: |
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I think Jim has said the motor is toast and therefore the shaft is expendable.
Read Mike's procedural description:
Quote: | Tyboo wrote:
Taking both set screws all the way out makes sure the point of one is not in a groove or depession on the shaft (actually best to throw one of them in the drink). Tape a block of wood or a stack of silver dollars located so that it will serve as a fulcrum for your big screwdriver precisely 180º ± 1º from the business side of the wiper arm. While gently prying the bugger out with the screwdriver take your unwounded hand and pivot the wiper away from the window while - you ready for this?? - shoving the wiper side of the bugger ON. When the thing pops off you will probably fall in the water, but you'll be so damn happy you won't care. If it doesn't come off, well, what do I know anyway? Probably very little, but sometimes you get lucky! |
And then look at this:
Now imagine the tool placed over the top of the wiper arm cap with the "hook" reaching down on the side opposite the arm extension.
Pushing down on the tool would lift one side and press down on the other, just like Mike's directions.
If I remember right (hard at 65), there's a little clip under one side of the piece that fits over the knurled knob on the shaft that holds the arm on. The clip is opposite the arm extension. The little "hook" on the tool pulls the clip back to clear the underside of the knurled knob and frees the arm's body to slide off.
Alternately, if the clip explanation is in error, it may just be that the tool and Mike's procedures provide a straight up lift that is impossible to get by simply prying on one side or the other of the wiper arm base.
Of course, whether it will simply slide off may well depend on how much it's corroded. The shaft may well have to be cut off, anyway!
Don't forget that there are actually several different types of wiper arm attachment mechanisms, and the clip system is just one. Others have exposed nuts on the end of the shaft, or a big tightening machine screw that squeezes down on a collar around the knurled nut or shaft, etc.
This AFI Marine wiper arm has an additional set screw under the arm's base cover to provide additional security.
Here's one you can't just pry off!
Here are some of the special tools available for windshield wiper arm removal.
J.C. Whitney also has some of these (or knock-offs of them) available for cheap.
Under Jim's situation and current mind set, a nasty cut-off tool might be expedicious. Might be good practice for Joan in case she ever has to saw some wise-ass guy out of a Latin American jail in the future (!)
Joe. _________________ Sea Wolf, C-Brat #31
Lake Shasta, California
"Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered'. " -Annonymous |
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drjohn71a
Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 1820 City/Region: Wichita
State or Province: KS
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Tom-a-Hawk
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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While I guess the real problem is releasing the spring tension, IF the problem were corrosion, salt, etc., binding, you could try heating it with a BarBQue lighter and even a cold spray after that. Most rusted things will let go when heated... but, there goes the "O"ring!
I'm just going to sit back and wait for my "elders" to solve this one.
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JamesTXSD
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 7445 City/Region: from island boy to desert dweller
State or Province: AZ
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: "Wild Blue" (sold 9/14)
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: |
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AHA!!!! I started working on it around 7:00 this morning - before the sun was pounding on the canal. Burned up a perfectly good Dremel!! Then spent two hours with a hack saw. <no smiley face for: damn, my arm is tired!> Yes, I have the hacksaw Joe illustrated - most racing sailors carry one like that in case of a dismasting and you have to cut shrouds. This was WAY worse than that. That shaft must be made out of some space age material, 'cause it was the toughest thing I've ever cut.
And then, when the arm was off and I could put it in a vice, the end of the shaft STILL wouldn't come out. There is no additional screw holding it on. Two dissimilar metals, I suppose.
I don't have any good advice for anyone who has to take on this task, other than be sure to put grease on the end of the shaft before you put the wiper arm on.
I am sure we had a crappy wiper motor right off the bat - it made a grinding noise and was sluggish compared to the port side. I should have said something about it at the time, but I really didn't know any better (that 20/20 hindsight). If there is any information on the installation or an expanded view of the wiper arm anywhere on the net, I couldn't find it.
The wipers are necessary on this boat... I spent some time with my arm out the window with a squeegee on our last outing.
C-Dory did supply the wiper motor (and the water pump discussed earlier) as warranty items, I supplied the labor. They got off easy on this deal. Having said that, I am grateful for the factory's support for this owner (who is probably the second furthest from a dealer - the guy in Hawaii has to be the furthest ) and thankful to my C-Brat buddies who provided advice and encouragement.
Some folks like to tinker with their boats... I am not one of those. We stay on top of maintenence items, but I'd rather be running the boat than messing with it (one of the reasons we bought a new boat). On a frustration scale of 1 to 10, this seemingly little task was a 12. I have close to 10 hours in those two simple replacements.
On the bright side, I didn't sacrifice anything else to Neptune; my hands will heal, and another wiper arm is on the way. On the not-so-bright side, I hate boats, I hate windshield wipers, and it is too early to have my one drink per day, so I'm going to go take a shower. Yeah, I'm kidding... who needs a shower, it isn't even Saturday!
Best wishes,
Jim B. |
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DaveS
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 3204 City/Region: Arlington
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Shift
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Jim, so sorry I'm chiming in so late on this discussion as I was off line for 24 hours and after wading through 158 posts on this site, I've finally been able to peruse this thread.
After much deliberation, I'm certain I could have solved your problem way in advance with "RAIN X" ....."screw" the "electrical" conveniences in life... _________________ Dave S.
"Sea Shift"
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JamesTXSD
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 7445 City/Region: from island boy to desert dweller
State or Province: AZ
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: "Wild Blue" (sold 9/14)
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Dave,
I use Rain-X inside and out on the windows. It certainly lets the wipers do a better job... but it doesn't replace the wipers.
Say, doesn't Sea Shift have ELECTRIC starters on those pretty white Johnsons??? |
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DaveS
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 3204 City/Region: Arlington
State or Province: WA
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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JamesTXSD wrote: |
Say, doesn't Sea Shift have ELECTRIC starters on those pretty white Johnsons??? |
Yep, I do allow electricity to flow into my life, sometimes defibrillation is a great thing! Keeps the heart of the boat beating.
P.S. I do have electric wipers as well, I just hope I don't have to go through all the pain and discomfort that you've had to deal with during this project. Hope you have more time for "umbrella drinks", while we continue to suffer with all of the rain that we are currently experiencing! |
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JamesTXSD
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 7445 City/Region: from island boy to desert dweller
State or Province: AZ
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: "Wild Blue" (sold 9/14)
Photos: Wild Blue
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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DaveS wrote: | ... Hope you have more time for "umbrella drinks", while we continue to suffer with all of the rain that we are currently experiencing! |
Sunny and warm here, Dave... the only reason for the windshield wipers these days is from the spray. Plenty of that with the waves, though. Joan doesn't put umbrellas in our drinks, but sometimes she uses the Magic Bullet to mix up frosty adult treats. That Magic Bullet is electric, too!
Stay dry.
Best wishes,
Jim |
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Pat Anderson
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 8553 City/Region: Birch Bay, WA
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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I have more than that on one stupid lug nut, counting the trips to NAPA and finally Les Schwab!
JamesTXSD wrote: | I have close to 10 hours in those two simple replacements.
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DAYDREAM - CD25 Cruiser
CRABBY LOU - CD16 Angler (sold 2020)
Pat & Patty Anderson, C-Brat #62!
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:28 am Post subject: |
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JamesTXSD wrote: | it is too early to have my one drink per day
Best wishes,
Jim B. |
Jim, as long as you only have one a day, it's never too early
That's what I do....currently I'm working on my drink for August 15th, 2012!
Glad you got the wipers fixed. I'm gonna take a look at my 2006 TC, I suspect I've got the same thing.
Charlie _________________ CHARLIE and PENNY CBRAT #100
Captain's Cat II 2005 22 Cruiser
Thataway (2006 TC255 - Sold Aug 2013)
Captain's Cat (2006 TC255 - Sold January 2012)
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JamesTXSD
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 7445 City/Region: from island boy to desert dweller
State or Province: AZ
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C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: "Wild Blue" (sold 9/14)
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Captain's Cat wrote: | ...Jim, as long as you only have one a day, it's never too early
That's what I do....currently I'm working on my drink for August 15th, 2012!
...Charlie |
Now, that's funny!
I'm not too good at this drinking stuff... I didn't take it up until I started boating! |
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
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C-Dory Year: 1987
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Duh............
Do ya think I can start on my allocation of one a day for my next reincarnation? ? ? ?
Joe. |
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