New 22'

marvin4239 · Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: New 22'

After getting my 16 set up just as as I pretty much wanted I hauled it to Wefings this morning and traded it on a new 22' Hightop. Boat had all the options I was interested in Shorepower, swimstep, cooler rack, camper back, 90 Suzuki, trim tabs, green. I'm having them install a windlass and house battery with switch plus my GPS and VHF. It's scheduled to be ready the 21st. Dealing with Marc and his salesman Charlie was very easy. My first project will be roof air and coming up with a name. The boat house looks mighty bare without the 16 hanging in the straps.

Not For Hire · Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:36 am Post subject:

Oh boy, new boat, new stuff, new overnight destinations, cruisin' in the rain, lockin' the gear up in the cabin, doing some bigger water, - Congrats and have fun.

Regards,

lloyds · Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:33 am Post subject:

I'm envious. I looked at your pictures. The storage under the helm seat was really well done.

flagold · Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:18 am Post subject:

Congratulations, your horizons just got broadened to "unlimited".

El and Bill · Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:19 am Post subject:

Congrats on the 22, Marvin. You sure live near some beautiful water for some nice overnighting trips -- now with the added comfort of the larger boat.

oldgrowth · Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:16 am Post subject:

Marvin – your top shelf and locking storage under the starboard seat were both very well done. Who ever ends up with your old boat will have a nice boat.

I will bet you get a lot of enjoyment out of customizing your boat, so now you have more boat to work on.

Have fun and post photos of your work.
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Dave

thataway · Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:23 am Post subject:

Congratulations on the new boat.

If the current C D 22's have as thin a laminate in the center of the cabin roof as the CD 25's did (only cored on the outer part of the roof)--I suggest that beams be built to spread out the "load" of the top--this also will give a flat surface on top (build up with glass and epoxy, and under neath. Don't just bolt the AC to the roof, that risks a flat spot on the roof.

marvin4239 · Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:09 am Post subject:

Bob while I was at Wefings they were installing a roof air on a 25. I went out and examined the section they cut out of the roof. It was cored and appeared to be about 3/4 inch thick. On the 22 if tapping on the roof is any indication it doesn't sound like it is cored plus the curvature is much more pronouced than in the 25. It would definately in my book require a build up on top to get a flat surface for the gasket of the A/C to rest on. A frame work of some sort in the inside to stiffen the roof would be necessary. At Wefing they are installing the 13,500 Coleman Heat Pumps and say they run on the 2K Honda. I would probably go with the 8,300 Polar Cub unit. I'll be doing this install myself and document what a find.

I was at Wefings yesterday and the guy thats doing the set up on my boat is really doing a nice job. It was apparent he takes great pride in his work. He really did a nice job of straightening out the sloppy factory wiring. One thing I discovered that sort of ticked me off was the factory placement of the 120v electric panel. It's directly behind the helm seat and virtually in assessible. The one 110 v outline is next to it and with this location it's impossible to plug anything in it. Wefing is working on resolving the problem. What really ticked me off was during my initial inspection of the boat this is something I didn't notice. to add insult to injury I've been and electrician all my life and it was the one thing I new anything about.

Boat is scheduled for deliver the 17th.

marvin4239 · Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:19 am Post subject:

Dave the top shelf in the 16 was copied from the one in your boat thanks. Yes a lot of the fun is in the little custom features you can do. My new boat has the cooler under the helm seat. I had them take it out and I'm designing a door to close the opening. I want to add something similiar to what Bob has with the 12 freezer/fridge on the sliding shelf. My plan is to spend a day or two camping as the boat is now to determine what some of my custom needs really are before I start drilling holes. That and looking at the C-Brat album pics is a really a great tool for mods.

marvin4239 · Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:03 am Post subject:

Picked my new boat up yesterday from Wefings. Again dealing with Charlie and Marc was a pleasant experience. I had a little problem with the factory installed shore power. While I was in the boat installing a neutral wire from the main breaker to the panel the factory forgot it began to rain. Water started pouring in from the starboard front mounting bolt for the roof top hand rail. I got up on the roof and discovered that when the factory installed the handrail they must have misdrilled the mounting hole and there was at least a 1/8 inch gap around it on one side. I'll be pulling the rail off epoxying the hole and redrilling. If it weren't for the information on this site I'd have been pretty angry about that but I sort of expected to find something. Seems like the factory is making strides to improve things like this but I found several things that for lack of a better word were done just plain sloppy. I'm compling a list and will inform CD of the problems I find. I figure if they don't know they can't address issues. Despite this I love the boat and I'm pretty excited about personalizing it. There are so many great modifications posted my heads spinning with ideas. Thanks to everyone for sharing their wisdom and creativity.

jlastofka · Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:52 am Post subject: Re: factory 110V wiring

marvin4239 wrote:

One thing I discovered that sort of ticked me off was the factory placement of the 120v electric panel. It's directly behind the helm seat and virtually in assessible. The one 110 v outline is next to it and with this location it's impossible to plug anything in it.

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I have a new CD 22 cruiser also and I have the same wiring setup. I figured they had a new guy at the factory and he just did something stupid on my boat. It's interesting to see yours is the same way. It's the only really glaring wrong thing I've found on the boat so far. I can't believe they're doing this as the regular production setup. I plugged a power strip in with a close right angle connector on the end, so it works, but it seems amazingly, glaringly, obviously retarded the way they're doing it. I expect I'll be relocating it later, but I have bigger fish to fry at the moment.

We should take pictures and send them to the factory and ask for comment. Maybe there's something we don't understand that makes this a "good idea". It would be interesting to hear what they were thinking. The breakers can be used easily enough by tilting the seatback forward, but the 110V outlet location seems just plain STUPID.

Maybe I'm wrong.....?

Jeff

mikeporterinmd · Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject:

I installed a 120V outlet behind the helm seat, but way to stbd, so it is
accessible without moving the helm seat. Perhaps the helm seat is
mounted more to stbd now than it used to be?

I installed the panel port side, over top of the water tank. Needs a sliding
cover, in my opinion, which I installed. BTW, that outlet is downstream
from a GFCI.

Mike

Byrdman · Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject:

Mike: Looks like you moved your kicker forward a bit too?? Mr. Green

Should be easy to start in that location.

Marvin: Do make your list and send it to the factory. Also be sure and leave a copy for Charlie and Marc there at Wefings. It also gives them a check list of items to look for on a brand new boat from the factory that this ...well worded.... "sloppy" work that should never be coming out of the factory on a $100,000 boat.

We all work together to constantly improve our boats. Many folks working together does really help. You will for sure enjoy many good times on your boat and hope to meet/see you at the Gulf Coast Gathering in October.

Byrdman

marvin4239 · Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject:

The receptical is directly behing the seat no way to plug anything in Wefing offered to move it but I really couldn't see having a hole and decided I'd rather give it some thought and come up with a solution myself. The electrical panel is all but unaccsibleable also and actually dangerous if you had to turn a breaker off in a hurry. I don't know about boats but in the National Electrical Code this is illegal. I took the seat out last night which turned to be and ordeal because who ever installed it stripped one of the bolts and I had to cut the bolt with a grinder to get it out. I considered buying a adjustable sliding seat mount but don't want to raise the seat any as it's pretty high already. My plan is to put two hinges on the front of the seat so the seat will hinge forward. With the seat hinged forward I can put in a removable shelf for a galley work surface plus I'll be able to get to the panel and the receptacle.

As far as the Gulf Coast gathering my youngest daughter is getting married that day and unless I can hire a double to give her away I won't be able to make the gathering.

Actually some of the issues would warrant returning the boat to Wefing but it's a 500 mile round trip trip plus I actually enjoy messing with it.

I'll snap a couple photos of the before and after and put them in my album.

mikeporterinmd · Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: