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Jeff and Julie
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 287 City/Region: Juneau, AK
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: Air Floor or Rigid Inflatable |
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We are going to place our order tonight (hopefully!) for an inflatable. We have finally narrowed it down to 2 choices:
1. Mercury 270 Air Floor
2. Mercury 260 Dynamic RIB
Price and weight wise they are both comparable. Does anyone see any real drawbacks with either? We would be storing it on top of the boat and not really needing to deflate it to store.
Also, does anyone have experiences ordering online with either Defender or Buster's? I thought I may have seen a negative post regarding Buster's?
Thanks for your help!
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colobear
Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 2154 City/Region: Denver
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C-Dory Year: 2006
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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We bought our dinghie from Defender with good results and remember a negative post about Buster's. _________________ Patti and Barry
formerly C-Cakes, now
rving around N. America |
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Alyssa Jean
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 2375 City/Region: Guemes Is.(Anacortes)
State or Province: WA
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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I ordered from Busters and had no problem at all. _________________ David and Kate
Alyssa Jean 16 Angler
Anna Leigh 22 Cruiser Sold 2005
Anna Leigh 25 Cruiser Sold 2014
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colobear
Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 2154 City/Region: Denver
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Correction. We ordered from Outlaw, not defender. Sorry. |
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Valkyrie
Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 1028 City/Region: Loudonville
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Both of the inflatables you mention are made of PVC, which does not hold up well in UV and keeping it inflated on top of the boat will make sure that it gets plenty of that. The life of a PVC inflatable not bagged, but stored inflated in the sun is reported to be about five years.
Hypalon is much more UV-resistant than PVC and my original Achilles lasted me almost twenty years, including being inflated and towed behind my sailboat in the Keys and Bahamas for nearly two years.
We bought an Achilles LT-4 last year as a replacemnt. It has a hinged wooden floor and soft-tail (uses a motor mount), which folds up much smaller than a wooden transom model. It slide right under the tall radar arch on Valkyire and is easily powered by a Honda 2 HP.
Pictures are in our album.
Nick
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SeaSpray
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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I have ordered from Defender many time and don't remeber any problems.
Steve |
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Jeff and Julie
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 287 City/Region: Juneau, AK
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Nick,
I think we can order either one of the inflatables with PVC or Hypalon. We will have to look at both choices. Our boat is stored indoors and it seemed that Hypalon added more weight?
Julie |
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Adeline
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 985 City/Region: Vancouver
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C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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This is the first decision to make. Hypalon is more robust, somewhat heavier, and more expensive. Pvc, or Decitex, or any of the other pseudonyms are less robust, somewhat lighter, and less expensive. UV light is hard on pvc but a cover can really mitigate it's effects. I opted for hypalon, but, I plan on keeping it for a long time. After all, I've had Adeline 18 years and she's not going anywhere. _________________ Pete
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Sarge
Joined: 12 Mar 2007 Posts: 488 City/Region: Edmonds
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Julie,
I too ordered from Defender and had no problems. I ordered a Mercury 240RU.
If you have a West Marine catalog handy, they talk about the two types of materials (PVC and Hypalon) advantages and disadvantages. _________________ -Sarge
2001 2150 Bayliner, sold
2007 CD25, sold
2007 Harbercraft Kingfisher 2850, sold
2011 Stabicraft 2250SC, sold
2011 Eastern 18cc
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Valkyrie
Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 1028 City/Region: Loudonville
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Jeff and Julie,
The Hypalon is a bit heavier, as stated, and more robust.
Our LT-4 is 8'6" long and weighs 56 pounds, which we find to be vetry manageable. To put it on the top I pull it from the water while standing on the foredeck and then slide it, bottom up, onto the top, with oars and motor mount attached, which negates the need to store those elsewhere.
Defender currently has the Achilles LT-4 priced at $999, which is less than we paid for ours a year ago.
I have never had a PVC inflatable, so can't speak about their life from PERSONAL experience, but as I said, our previous Achiles lasted almost 20 years, 18 to be exact, with hard use every year.
Best regards,
Nick
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El and Bill
Joined: 08 Nov 2003 Posts: 3200 City/Region: Lakewood, CO
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Our son and grandson just rowed ashore, to explore Matia Island, in our air-floor Seyvlor -- very light, very easy. El and I last week finished a kayak trip down a portion of the Colorado River in our air-floor Seyvlor kayaks -- easy, simple to fold, deploy, and use. _________________ El and Bill (former live-aboards)
Halcyon 2000 CD 22 Bought 2000 Sold 2012
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Swee Pea
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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I ordered a Mercury Air Floor from Busters. They did everything they said they would do. They shipped on time. Got a great price. Shipping was messed up by Fed Ex and was shipped to Fredericksburg, Texas instead of Fredericksburg, Virginia. Busters filed a claim on my behalf and reimbursed me ALL the shipping when they got it from Fed Ex. Buster's took care of the $75 mail in rebate from Mercury and it arrived within 6 weeks. I have no complaints and would do business again with them.
John
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Jeff and Julie
Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 287 City/Region: Juneau, AK
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Well, we went up to Inflatable Boatworks in Seattle to check out the Mercury air floor and the RIB.
We ended up placing an order for a Gary King Alaska Series today with Jim King!!
We just couldn't believe how "beefy" and strong the Alaska Series seemed compared to the Mercury. Of course, it cost more but we hope to have it for many years to come!
We ordered the 8' 10" Seward in Royal Blue. Our boys aren't getting any smaller, so we hope this one will be sufficient for all of our needs.
I really appreciate all of the input and help from everyone!
Thanks,
Julie |
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Doryman
Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 3807 City/Region: Anacortes
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Jeff and Julie wrote: | We ended up placing an order for a Gary King Alaska Series today with Jim King!! |
Welcome to the C-Brats Alaska Series owners' club! Many of us came to the same conclusion either previously or after checking out the various inflatables at the Seattle Boat Show last January.
Warren _________________ Doryman
M/V Lori Ann
TomCat 255, Hull #55, 150 Yamahas
Anacortes, WA
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20813 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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I own (and in the past have owned a number) of both PVC and Hypalon boats. If I am going to roll it up and store in the garage, then PVC is fine. if you want to keep it out in the weather, the Hypalon is far better.
An RIB will ride better than an Air floor, it will be much better on the beach and rocks--a soft bottom is fine on sand, but not on rocks or barnicles. I would think that an RIB is heavier--and you may well consider a davit to hoist it. We currently use an air floor, and it is about 60 lbs. Also what type of engine and how far you want to travel in the inflatable is a factor--the larger engine will give greater capacity and longer range--but that may not be necessary for your plans. If you have an engine much larger than the 2 to 3 hp units, you may want to consider a davit for taking it on and off of the dinghy.
We prefer to deflate our inflatables, except RIBS--when traveling any distance. Then store them in the cockpit. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
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