C-22 Single or Dual Engines?

flapbreaker · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject:

If you don't plan on putting heavy hours trolling below 3knts then by all means get twins. However it makes no sense to me to put hundreds of hours trolling on big expensive engines. I do put far more hours on the kicker than the main.

If you do true offshore fishing and not just nearshore stuff your best safety measure is to have a running mate. If your 30-40 miles offhsore it's nice to know that you have someone else within a few miles in case of trouble. You can plan to the n'th degree for one problem and find out that there are endless issues that you can't possible be prepared for. When offhsore the buddy system works best in my opinion.

drjohn71a · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject:

Thanks, Ken, I understand that using a kicker alot for trolling will keep it in good condition and ready for emergencies... the article was mainly aiming at ppl who rarely use their kicker until an emergency, I think.

My current 'kicker' is 150 hp.... we TomCatters don't have much option, but I generally prefer having two larger engines than one large and one small. I can see how the weight, economy, space, etc., can play deciding roles in all this.

John

drjohn71a · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject:

Good point, Bill. We haven't hit too many whales here in Kansas lately, though.... JJ

Pat Anderson · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject:

Or climbed many mountains, either!

drjohn71a · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject:

I'll have you all know that there is a genuine, real, HILL in Wichita, KS. They put a big rock "W" on it so you can tell it's there! Prob' to keep the airplanes from hitting it?

John

Hunkydory · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject:

We really like our twin Honda 40 set up, but if were to refit or purchase new it would still be a tough decision with all the pros and cons of each.

The deciding factor for us would be if we could plane on one motor on a new twin set up. Presently we can't on the Honda 40's. Will the twin 50's plane on one motor? I have wondered how twin E Tec 60's would work. If we had to refit now that would be high in the consideration. I imagine the answer to the above would have a lot to do with prop choice.

Jay

smittypaddler · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject:

I have twin 40's on my CD22 Cruiser. They're never even coughed in 600 hours, so if I had to do it over again, I might go for a single 90, though the twin 40s make it go plenty fast enough. My nieces and nephews and I regularly waterski behind my CD22.

drjohn71a · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject:

While not totally related - how do the engine weights of the Etec and Honda measure up? Are the 2 cycles much lighter? I was wondering how much weight a guy could save on a TomCat by using 150hp Etecs over Hondas or other 4 cycle brands.

Also, what is the weight savings by Main and kicker vs. dual outboards? And what weight savings by going 2 cycle Etec over 4 cycle?

John

Bill3558 · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject:

Thank you all for the input. You have given me a lot to think about.

One thing I dont understand completly is the way auxillary motors are set up. Are they mechanically attached to the large engine for steering? That seems like it would be difficult but I guess thats what dealers get paid for. Also if they are electric start that means a whole other set of throttle and electrical controls. Is that a typical set up?

Sorry for the dumb questions. Ask me about sailboats and I have the answers, but I am getting old and transitioning to power is new to me.

I am looking close at a C22 with a 115 Suzuki. Same weight as the 90hp, so why not have some power in reserve. I was thinking I might prefer a Yamaha but I'm hearing stuff like the Suzuki has more torque and spins a bigger prop. I guess thats a good thing.

Thanks again....

rogerbum · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: 22 single or dual engines

Doryman · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject:

flapbreaker · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject:

I have the classic Honda 8 which has none of the frills. But what I like about not having frills is it's lighter and since you always pull start it you basically have a little generator to charge the batteries should the need arise.

C-WEED · Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject:

A kicker is handy if you lose your steering. Sad

DaveS · Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:40 am Post subject:

Sea Wolf · Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:06 am Post subject:

The best chance to get a CD-22 to plane on one engine out of a pair of twins would be with a paior of Evinrude etech 60's.

If I'm not mistaken, we were told once in discussing this a few years ago that the CD-22 would plane on one 60 hp engine out of a pair.

The etech engine, at 240 lbs, is also very (comparatively) light, which is part of the plane/no plane equation.

The engine not running has to be raised up out of the water to eliminate drag, of course.

Joe.