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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:14 pm Post subject: New Suzuki outboards? |
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Has anyone had experience with this web site:
http://www.newsuzukioutboards.com/index.html
They claim that they sell Suzuki outboards at discount prices. I don’t have much experience with MSRP prices to know whether this is a good deal or not and whether the motors are truly unused and in the manufacturers original shipping containers. I have been thinking of re-powering with a 115 hp Suzuki. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. |
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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I do not have any experience with them. We have been looking for a Suzuki 2.5 kicker. Their price of $599.00 is pretty good but, freight is an additional $99.70 and the motor by itself is only 30 lbs.! So, for me, I would see what I could buy local for around $700.00. I did not check freight on the larger outboards, (should have). _________________ Jon Ramos
2009 16C
50 EFI Honda
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Freight was quoted around $500 to NM. |
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Matt Gurnsey Dealer
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Being a Suzuki dealer, I can say that those prices are way below what we can sell the motors for.
On the larger motors you may get into a grey area, because there is no way for them to do a pre delivery inspection on the motor befor it ships. That being the case, Suzuki could deny any warranty coverage on the motor.
We are seeing all motor manufacturers tightening up their warranty guidelines, as their profits shrink. They will warranty legitimate issues, but questionable items, or motors that were not properly set up or cared for will raise all kinds of red flags, and ultimately get turned down.
As a dealer, we have technicians that we have sent to Suzuki schooling, and must send on a regular basis. We have special tools, computer software and parts in stock. We have a waterfront facility where we can physically test boats on the water if needed to diagnose a problem. We have a test tank we can back a boat into, and an inventory of special test wheels that simulate a propellor load on an engine for diagnostics.
Those guys have a web site. Their whole business model is to sell product they will never see again. They may not even have a storefront. If you have a problem, who will take care of it?
And if you have a problem on July 3rd with your motor you bought online, and bring it into us, and we have the choice of getting either the motor purchased online or one that we sold to our customer out the door for the holiday- guess who comes first?
Just sayin. _________________ Matt Gurnsey
Kitsap Marina
www.kitsapmarina.com
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ramos
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds a bit like buying a Rolex Oyster in Tijuanna from the only guy wearing a trench coat! |
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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A while back I was talking to a guy who had a 2 1/2 Suzuki on his dingy and he was raving about it being the best motor he had ever had. He told me he bought it from a dealer somewhere in central Florida for less than $600. I thought that pretty low so I went on line to get some prices and Portaboat sells them delivered to your door for $629. I don't think I'd buy anything larger on line because of the warranty issues and I'm not sure I'd buy from Portaboat. I think my local dealer quoted me something like $900 for the motor. _________________ marvin |
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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We got our Suzuki 2.5hp at a local dealer here in Washington for a very good price. I think they've updated the model since then, I think it's a 2007. Still very happy with it and as dinghy motors go with very little usage, I'd say we have less than 3 hours on it.
(Still wondering if I should try it on Barquinho...) _________________ Peter & Caryn
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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All right-this is just what I need to hear. I thought I smelled a trench coat.
When it's too good to be true, it usually isn't true. Well that settles that.
Thanks for the advice. I knew C-Brats would give me the straight scoop.
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not getting into the price issue, but as for a 2.5 HP dinghy motor I do have a few comments.
First I had a 3 HP Evenrude (Johnson?) and it would not get the dinghy on plane. Bought it because it was light and had a neutral. and when we were in Mexico we met several people who had Honda 2 (2.5?) which were just too small to get anywhere. Even my old 3 would go faster. I finally bought a 6 HP motor and I still think that's the best dink motor going, and still have it.
So if you haven't bought that 2.5 yet, think about how long you're going to keep it and how you want to use it. No argument about the weight increase, but ALL of those 4 strokes are heavier than the old nasty 2 strokes.
So I'd try at least a 4 HP, and since in Suzuki the 4 and 6 are the same weight, one might consider a 6 HP. And the 6 HP comes with an external tank. You haven't lived until you try to refill that integral tank when you're in choppy water. And the money you saved will not enter your mind. In fact at that time you'll be willing to pay the difference, if only you could. Tohatsu is a little lighter. You pick the dealer
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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It would appear that the Suzuki outboard in the below 40 hp models is now being produced by Tohatsu.
Quote: | OnlineOutboards is the largest Nissan and Tohatsu outboard dealer. We stock every portable outboard model offering you the best selection anywhere. Plus, you’ll save big because we guarantee the absolute lowest prices on new Tohatsu and Nissan outboards. |
OnlineOutboards.com is the same company that is offering the Suzuki outboards and if you compare the specs of both, model to model they are the same motor.
I purchased my 8hp Nissan last year and the company performed as advertised and the engine hasn't missed a lick yet. However they sell the Tohatsu and Nissan with free shipping...so unless you just have to have the Suzuki name on your motor you can save a few bucks by buying the brand X. _________________ Mike Taylor
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Hey , maybe you can find a repo motor REALLY cheap from a FULL SERVICE dealer thats gone out of business cause he tried to make a living..............and then be really angry when you cant find a qualified mechanic left or anyone willing to work on it . We have a one to three year waiting list for internet outboard service . BTW the only outboards the motor whores are supposed to sell via internet are portables under 25 HP.Did I say motor whore ? .Just slipped out.
Marc _________________ Wefings Marine Website
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Matt Gurnsey Dealer
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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While it's possible some of the Suzuki motors are using Tohatsu powerheads (and I'll be checking with my rep on that) I can say that the 9.9High Thrust / 15, the 25 and the 40 are definitely built by Suzuki.
Looking at the Suzuki specs, and comparing to Mercury, which IS built by Nissan / Tohatsu, the 2.5, 4 and 6 are different motors. I don't have all the specs for the new 8 / 9.9 motor. I suspect the specs on the sellers website are incorrect. Probably a cut and paste for layout, and forgot to change the actual specs. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:08 pm Post subject: Interesting |
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Interesting site.
This outfit is an authorized Suzuki dealer according to the Suzuki website (listed as "Cumberland Watersports"). _________________ Captain Matt
Former owner of Napoleon (Tomcat) Hull #65 w/Counter Rotating Suzuki 150's. |
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Papillon
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Marc Said: Quote: | Did I say motor whore ? .Just slipped out. |
Maybe a better term to use is "Marketing Genius"...but then again I am just the sort of consumer who prefers to have folks publish a price for their products and let me decide if I want the product at their price.
I make every effort to support my local dealers in every way I can but I don't pay through the nose for a oil change and I don't pay $90.00 an hour for shop time to perform task I can learn to perform on my own. And if the local dealer has a 3 yr waiting list to perform service on a motor that they represent because the motor in question didn't come out their door then they need to rethink their business plan or they will soon be out of business.
Now I do understand the dealers frustration with todays economic down turn but it just calls for more creative marketing and even better service offerings. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Papillon wrote: | And if the local dealer has a 3 yr waiting list to perform service on a motor that they represent because the motor in question didn't come out their door then they need to rethink their business plan or they will soon be out of business. |
I have wondered about this sentiment as well. I purchased my boat about three years ago from the closest dealer available at the time - over 5 hours away. I still talk to the dealer and they have handled warranty service on the boat, but for warranty service on the motor (twice now), I have gone to a local dealer, and they seem happy to have the work.
The idea that you should only expect service on a product from the dealer from which it is purchased would seem to defeat the value of a nationwide brand with sales and service available all over. Am I the only one that has traveled or moved with a product under warranty and then needed service somewhere other than the place of purchase?
Rob |
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