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Jeff_e_d
Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 42 City/Region: Snohomish
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1998
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Miss Mirth
Photos: Miss Mirth
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject: Towed in a Bayliner |
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I was jigging off Possession Bar and just started getting into some blackmouth, landed a 23"er in the boat and saw some flares going off. The commercial crabbers were all around and ignoring this guy. Another boat pulled up and took off. So I went over towed him from Possession all the Way back to Everett. He had a 22' Maxim Sunbridge style boat. I am curious what folks think is a max tow for a 22' CDory Cruiser. That's about a 2 hour tow @ 4-5 mph. He was nice enough to fill up the tanks. It feels good to do a good thing every now and then. |
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alandgin
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 54 City/Region: Duluth, MN
State or Province: MN
C-Dory Year: 2000
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Way to go, Jeff and Miss Mirth! Did your good deed for the day. We salute you, buddy! _________________ Boatless Al |
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Butch
Joined: 21 Feb 2004 Posts: 180 City/Region: Rising Sun
State or Province: MD
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject: A true Mariner! |
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Ya did good! I have been on both ends of that arrangement and speaking from experience.... I will never leave a boater in distress on the water. Crap happens and even if it is a function of momentary stupidity... _________________ As Bartles and James said, "Thank you for your fine support!" |
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7882 City/Region: marysville
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1984
C-Dory Model: 27 Cruiser
Vessel Name: to be decided later
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Good for you. helping out people on the water can take up a lot of time and fuel but well worth the it for the feeling you get after. My idea is that you help people when you can because someday it will be you.
I once stopped for a old lady with a flat on hwy 49. she was going in the other direction and a lot of people where just passing her by. I stopped and changed her tire and she offered me money. I asked if she had boys, she did. They where all in there 50s. Well I told her that each one of them owed a tire change to someone because next time it might be my mother by the side of the road with hunderds of people driving by not seeing her. I hope that someone got a tire change out of it. after talking to her while changing the tire I think her boys would have done it anyhow. _________________ Thomas J Elliott
http://tomsfishinggear.blogspot.com/ |
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oldgrowth
Joined: 27 Jun 2005 Posts: 2196 City/Region: Rochester
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Voyager
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Good for you Jeff – Can’t answer your question about maximum weight a C-Dory can tow. I think the only way to know for sure is to hook up to it and see if you can move it. But then, weather, wind and current can change everything.
Tom – your policy is the same as my policy when I help someone.
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Dave
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
Photos: Captain's Cat
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Jeff, boats aren't like trucks or cars. There is no "maximum" tow limit. You could tow a destroyer in a dead calm (water and wind) but not very fast, you just have to get it moving (and stopped too! ).
Unless you have a lot of slack in your tow line(s) or bridle when you start, I don't think you could pull the cleats off the stern if you tried, as long as they are fastened correctly as most of them are. Also, I don't think you could snap a towline while underway as long as it was big enough and you didn't let it go slack and then whipped it tight again.
I once was involved in the tow of a battleship, two in fact (IOWA in one case and NEW JERSEY in the other), by an ocean going tug that was considerably smaller than the battleship....Once they were moving, it was simple!
Charlie _________________ CHARLIE and PENNY CBRAT #100
Captain's Cat II 2005 22 Cruiser
Thataway (2006 TC255 - Sold Aug 2013)
Captain's Cat (2006 TC255 - Sold January 2012)
Captain's Kitten (1995 CD 16 Angler- Sold June 2010)
Captain's Choice (1994 CD 22 Cruiser- Sold Jun 2007)
Potomac River/Chesapeake Bay
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dotnmarty
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 4196 City/Region: Sammamish
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: LIZZIE II
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Jeff-Nice to see that Miss Mirth is in such good care. Were the boys with you? "The reward for a good deed is another good deed" (Old Jewish saying) _________________ MartyP
"...we're all in the same boat..." |
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Jeff_e_d
Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 42 City/Region: Snohomish
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1998
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Miss Mirth
Photos: Miss Mirth
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Hello Marty,
Yes the boys were with me and they got a chance to learn from that experience too. My 1st boat (a 16' with an old 65 Johnson 2 stroke) had the motor blow on the way back from Possession many years ago and I got towed in so possibly "the good turn was my way of giving back." We had the wallace furnace on the whole day as it was a bit cool out there and that was a welcomed change from the old boat. I am very happy with the Miss Mirth. I put on the bottom paint that you gave me, put her in Everett for a couple for months (cleaned up just fine after taking her out) and put electric disc brakes on the trailer (very nice).
I see you and Joe have a 16 now. Maybe we'll run into each other out there on the Puget Sound. take care, |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20814 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think there is an answer as to the limit of tow for a C Dory. I have towed a 45 foot cruising sailboat--(about 20 tons) with an 18 foot rundabout with a 115 hp outboard easily. But It depends on the experience of the operator, how the boat is set up and the conditions.
I tow boats all of the time. If a person has already called for a commercial assistance, I will standby until the commercial assistance arrives. The probelm is that many boats are not set up for towing (my TC 255 is not currently, but my 18 footer is)
You also have to know how to attatch the line to your boat--and to properly attatch the line to the other boat. There are multiple safety issues, including that many cleats on boats are not suitable for towing and many boats do not have adequate towing lines etc. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
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Home port: Pensacola FL |
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1987
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Wolf
Photos: Sea Wolf
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:47 am Post subject: |
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Bob points out some safety issues with towing boats.
I'll just add that you really have to be careful with ropes under large stress loads.
While nylon is more elastic and absorbs shock more readily, the elasticity can make it (or any rope) dangerous under load.
This isn't much of a problem with two aluminum fishing boats, but with two boats of several thousand pounds or more and expecially in a disturbed sea, a broken tow line can break limbs or even kill a person.
Joe. _________________ Sea Wolf, C-Brat #31
Lake Shasta, California
"Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered'. " -Annonymous |
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ffheap
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 733 City/Region: Hingham
State or Province: MA
C-Dory Year: 1983
C-Dory Model: 22 Angler
Vessel Name: Inn-The-Water
Photos: Inn-The-Water
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Good job Jeff. According to the Rules of the Road, pp 201, %2304.
"(a) A master or individual in charge of a vessel shall render assistance to any individual found at sea in danger of being lost, so far as the master or individual in charge can do so without serious danger to a master's or individuals's vessel or individuals on board.
"(b) A master or individual violating this section shall be fined not more than $1,000.00, imprisoned for not more than 2 years or both."
According to the law, you were the only person not violating the law.
I bet most people do not know the boater responsibility to render assistance.
Again, good job.
Fred _________________ Fred |
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: |
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You are quite correct (as usual) Fred, however the words
"any individual found at sea in danger of being lost, so far as the master or individual in charge can do so without serious danger to a master's or individuals's vessel or individuals on board."
provide a convenient "out" for those ignoring boats in "distress". Simply being out of gas or a conked out engine would not constitute being in danger of being "lost". And, I would submit that many of those who ignored him could not have helped with a tow "without serious danger to a master's or individuals's vessel or individuals on board" if they didn't know what they were doing. I'd wait for the right person to come along rather than have an ignoramous try to pull me in.
Given that however, there's no excuse for someone totally ignoring a request for help if they see it and recognize that there's something they can do to help. After all, it may be them the next time!
Charlie (with his sea-lawyer hat on) |
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DaveS
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 3204 City/Region: Arlington
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Shift
Photos: Sea Shift
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Captains Choice wrote: | there's no excuse for someone totally ignoring a request for help if they see it and recognize that there's something they can do to help. |
Well said, Charlie. The original post indicates that the vessel in need of assistance was setting off flares, but there was no mention of any "radio traffic" so I would suspect that the distressed vessel had no operable radio. Given that info, anyone seeing those flares would not know if ...a) he had a mechanical problem or b) if he had a medical problem as well.
Several years ago, I came upon a much larger vessel than mine that had someone on the foredeck waving their arms to "flag" me down. They had lost all electrical and could not radio out for assistance. After coming along side I was able to radio for assistance for them and stand by until vessel assist arrived. _________________ Dave S.
"Sea Shift"
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
Photos: Captain's Cat
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Yup, saw that. I can only assume since another boat pulled up and then "took off" it was a matter of gas/no power/no radio or some such and nothing life threatening. The guy who took off probably didn't want to be bothered with the tow, or else went to buy them more beer until real help came .
I think Jeff did a great thing , have done the same myself for others. Hope I don't ever need it but if I do, hope there's a good samaratin around nearby.... |
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Jeff_e_d
Joined: 27 Jul 2006 Posts: 42 City/Region: Snohomish
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1998
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Miss Mirth
Photos: Miss Mirth
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, this is turning out to be a great thread. As reported by the vessel that I towed, the guy that took off was collecting his crab pots. Not sure if the vessel that I towed had an anchor, but I am guessing he was 15 minutes from hitting the beach / rocks. So, once I came over there was no turning back. He , the vessel in distress, also had to collect his pots and I hope he is / was able to do so, but that wasn't my concern. I did not see an antenna on his boat, so I think he had no radio. He offered to have me tow him to a nearby dock at the bait box, but once under tow, things seemed to be going ok so I just finished the job as he was moored in Dagmars Dry storage and I proceeded to the gas dock in Everett.
One other interesting twist to this was the ferry. While approaching the Mukilteo / Clinton Ferry, sure enough the ferry touted his horn and immediately took off. I was able to do a hard right and stay out of the ferry's path. Those currents around Mukilteo though are tricky and at one point the boat I was towing took an abrupt right and the stern dug in. But we got through it and felt good about the whole deal. The guy at the gas dock helped pull in the boat in tow while my son released the stern line. |
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