Design Changes to the 22 Cruiser

Day-Dreamer · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject:

Several days ago, Jeff promised a full view of the excellent Quality Control Program at C-Dory. I think we ought give him the opportunity present the program before we make too many judgments on the status of quality control at C-Dory.

thataway · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:59 pm Post subject:

I don't think it is relivant to the design of the 22, but I disagree with Drjohn's analysis that "Half of Thataway's problems are with flexible, nylon attachments and hose clamps, and caulk seams. The temperature build up in a closed boat in Florida can cycle to nudge 140 degrees. The boat was shipped from a cool, wet climate, thru a hot, dry climate, to a hot, humid climate over 3,000 miles of concrete road." The 22 we owned was stored in Las Vegas for three years (considerably hotter) and trailered over 12,000 miles in the 3 years we owned it and may more miles before we owned it--although it was a far simpler boat--had none of the problems that my 255 has. There are only two or three of the mulitiple problems due to sealants improperly used on nylon fittings--which I doubt are related to travel or temperatures.

Going into the quality control issues of other boats don't belong in this thread.

drjohn71a · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject:

Well, Bob, You're the one who's holdin' this cat. I'm just lookin' at a picture.

John

Sea Wolf · Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject:

Bob, John, Tim, et al.-

I'm sorry to have brought the equality control over to this thread.

My connection is that design changes are sometimes the result of this chain:

1. the profit motive
2. control of assembly costs
3. assembly process modification
4. design changes to expedite #3
5. change in the quality of the finished product

I'm sorry if it looks as if my glass is half empty.

It's just sad to see so many problems recently.

Joe.

acgetz · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:52 pm Post subject:

As a follow up, I just noticed that E.Q Harbor Services in Oak Harbor, WA is advertising all of the new 22' cruisers that they have coming in as having "molded interiors". Has the factory said anything about the changes on this site?

Pat Anderson · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:00 am Post subject:

Nope. And I sure would like to hear from Jeff Messmer, and Les too.

Alasgun · Guest

If this if factual info, could it be that they are just trying to keep up with the cruisers. Cape Cruisers that is? Mike on Huda Thunkit Question

Best Day · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:59 am Post subject:

Hi all, I don't want to rock the boat here but would like to add some info from the other side. Having had a Cape Cruiser for 5 months now I think I can comment on the molded in liner.

In my opinion it is a great improvement. The cockpit floor is always dry and flat. It makes the cockpit look much more finished and I would guess makes the aft section of the boat more ridged. When stepping from the cabin into the cockpit you can tell there is a slight difference in height, maybe 1.5". But it is definitely not a step up into the cockpit.

The molded in liner does have some drawbacks as have been discussed here, but it also has some advantages. You have a nice molded floor. There are less things that the factory can mess up since they only have to get it right once when they make the mold. The interior is much quieter underway. The interior doesn't creek or moan. I would also guess that the strength of the boat is increased. This added strength may also help eliminate cabin resonations from the engine. I know my boat has none. I can barely here the engine at cruise.

As to quality control issues with C-Dorys I think this will improve with time. They just recently lost half of their long time employees. It will take them time to get the new employees trained properly in the many different aspects of building a boat.

I'm not here to stir the waters. Just thought my opinion might have some value since the CC and CD are so simular.

Bill

Alasgun · Guest

That's interesting, I was sure they had lost 1/2 their good people the year they made my boat (2004) Mike on Huda Thunkit Laughing

Cutty Sark · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:58 am Post subject:

It will be interesting to see it at the SBS this year. A quieter ride is a huge plus, at idle my cabin vibrates a bit much for my taste, but so did my palmer and it had a molded interior. I'm not sure if strength is an issue since, I've never heard of a Cdory having problems in that respect, although I'm sure it might add a little. But I would like to see the new interior as to my mind it is an improvement although I know many will disagree. I would love a flat foor inside the cabin. If they do go this route and can retrofit, I would probably go for it.

Sark

Sea Wolf · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject:

Cutty Sark · Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject:

Joe-

Interesting idea!! I fish alot and tend to track fish guts, scales etc in, so I wouldn't want to glue the carpet down, it would need to be romovable to clean it and get it smelling ok for the family trips. But that could be something worth thinking about. Or if Cdory does the molded interior maybe I could just get a section of the floor and glue that in. I don't know how much heght you would lose , but it shouldn't be more than 2 inches at most. I'm only 5'10" and have the high top anyway. hadn't really thought about doing anything myself, but food for thought. Thanks

Sark

CHardy · Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: new design

As a new CD dory 22 owner (pick her up next week), I considered waiting until spring for the 07 boat and 07 honda...until I confirmed with the factory that they were changing the boat. I just sold my 2003 24 Sea Ray Sundancer...do not want the same thing...so - bought a new 2006 CD. (I also got a great deal).

I am sure that the new design has many improvements, but from the pictures I have seen, they are not what I wanted.

Happy to be a member of this group! All of you have been very helpful, generous, and friendly.

Chris

I'll update my profile nexgt week, once I name her.

JamesTXSD · Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject:

Welcome aboard as a fellow owner, Chris! From another "gentleman biker" (R1100RT). Thumbs Up

Best wishes,
Jim B.

oldgrowth · Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:24 am Post subject:

Chris - glad to have you aboard as a new owner. Hope to see you in the water some day, but only if you make it to the west side of the country.
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Dave