2003 25 Cruiser, $50,000 (New York City, NY)

[Sneaks]

[onemorebythesea]

Heavy stuff, folks. Sorry that I don't troll your site all day long waiting for people to charge me with fraud. Some of us actually work. Wow.

I had friends and family interested in going in on the boat. We like the CD. I've shared many a dock in the San Juans and Gulf Islands with C-dories, and appreciate their lines. We like them so much that at the time it even sounded like a good idea to buy a boat in NY and ship it out west.

We had a survey done. If you don't believe me, fine. Go visit the boat. Whatever. If you want to spend countless hours hypothesizing about a boat you don't know or haven't spent money on by hiring a certified surveyor, fine. Knock yourselves out. I put up a wide shot of the boat. So did the owner. Our photos have a date. If you actually think someone is working that hard to post fake photos of a cracked transom just for the sake of creating a commotion, then perhaps you should go work for Homeland Security.

There's nothing "curious" about it. Of course I'm new on the site, and a new poster. Because I don't own a cdory yet. Is that so hard to figure out?

My motivation was simple. I was just pissed off that the nice shiny photos combined with the attitude of the seller, to me, misrepresented the state of the boat. I think that's both wrong and a little stupid. So I concluded that it was only fair to post some additional info about it, if for no other reason than to save someone else having high hopes for a nice boat and then having them dashed upon closer inspection. It seemed more relevant that some of the other posts that said something along the lines of
"what a deal", not having actually seen it.

We didn't like the look of the survey, and have walked away from it. As you may note in my earlier email, I gave an opinion. That was my [u]opinion[/u], that the boat appeared to have not been looked after. I too, was surprised, given that it is such a new boat. But so it is. If you think otherwise, fine.

Nothing is 'going on here'. Jesus Christ. A guy tries to help and gets run over. I'm not the bad guy here.

[Chester]

Whoa! onemorebythesea take it easy. No one is accusing you of fraud. We're just trying to figure out what's going on. This is the internet, after all.
We appreciate the heads up on the boat's condition. It does help that you shared how you got this information.
You gotta see this from our vantage as well. This whole thing is kinda out of the blue, curious even.
If the boat seller dosen't speak up that will be telling.

[oldgrowth]

oemorebythesea – first let me welcome you to the site. I am in your neighborhood and maybe we will cross paths sometime. If so I would hope we could be friends.

You will see that I had several comments on this thread about this boat. They were based on the information supplied by the seller and the photos available. Until such time as I have other information, I consider them accurate. If you would spend a little time reading the threads/post on this site, you will notice we are a close nit group and support all members.

Frequent Sea seamed honest and sincere with his post and I have no reason to doubt it. Anyone interested in the boat should look at it before buying it. Your first post came from nowhere with no other information other than the boat was not what we thought it may be. Had you provided more information, there would not be this controversy. We have had other new members try to create controversy and that was a possibility with your first post.

Thank you for staying with the thread and clearing up the question from your first couple of post. While the boat may not be for you, it may be for another member. Had I known what you found, I may not have said it was a super deal, but as I said, I can only go on the information I have before me.

Again thank you and welcome aboard.
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Dave

[rogerbum]

As a side note, unless that crack was caused by an accident (and from the rest of the hull it doesn't appear that way) it should still be covered under the 5 year hull warranty. Given the way these hulls are built, it's unlikely that water has spread very far but regardless, if it needs a transom repair due to damage not caused by operator error, a 2003 is still within warranty.

[rogerbum]

For some reason, the edit button is missing so I couldn't edit the above post. But I wanted to add...

I'm not sure if the warranty is tranferable but at the very least one could have the current owner get that repaired under warranty (again as long as the cause was not operator error).

[Captains Cat]

Roger, there is no "edit" feature in the boats for sale forum. It was done purposely by the site managers. Forget the reason but it made sense when I first saw it.

Charlie

[thataway]

I can understand rejecting the boat based on what this person understands of the survey. But one also has to understand the survey business and boat building (and I realize we have at least one marine surveyor on the forum). Surveyors are not all equal. Some have more expertise in areas than others--"certification" there are several organizations which offer "certification"--or at least memebership.

Just the high "moisture meter readings" and the "crack" in the transom on this boat would not be a deal killer for me. The "crack" appears to be under the protective trim, and is where the hull and deck are joined. This may not be a structural issue--and the surveyor should attempt to determine this. The "high" moisture meter reading there does not resolve the issue.

I would like to see the owner's response--and also a response from the factory about warantee issue--I also believe that this should be repaired under warantee.

[Sneaks]

[Frequent Sea]

10:35 PM and I check up on the old c-brats site (thanks whomever sent the heads up e-mail) and there is quite the controversy. First, let me say thanks to all those who called for some evenheadedness about the whole situation. As is often the case the internet often serves as a forum for people to vent their frustrations. That said . . .

I have never indicated that the boat was a cherry or in excellent condition. She is not and I never told any interested buyers that she was. Fact is I am a first time boat owner who doesn't know how to do most of the maintenece issues myself. I did pay the service department to do regualar maintenence and as is the case in NJ gave the manager frequent presents in an effort to garner some of the attention from the giant yachts and such. I told them to look it over every year and anything that needed fixing to fix and send me the bill.

As far as me posting only a few post on the site I did only find it when I was looking for comps when I was interested in selling. I am sad that is the case since it seems like a well done message board with a good community of people. Perhaps if I had found it earlier then I would have been better prepared with maintenence and such.

Onemorebythesea is obviously purturbed. He made a gamble and spent money on a survey then decided that he didn't want to buy the boat. Can't really blame him. However, he gave me no indication about why or what the results of the survey were. I had never had a previous survey done so whatever it was that he said he found was as much a suprise to him as to me. I invite you to post the survey here and save some other fellow boat owners the same disapointment as you had.

I in no way want to mislead buyers. Of course you want to get the most from your boat when you sell it but I am more interested in giving a buyer a fair deal as I would want. I want to sell the boat (at least I think I still do she is a c-dory so of course I have second thoughts all the time) for a fair price. I recognized she is not a cherry and I thought the 15,000 difference in the comps I found would more than make up for it and sell well. If not, I am happy to take offers of less than asking price for what knowledgeable people consider a fair price.

If she doesn't sell well I guess there could be worse things than owning a c-dory! I'll put her away for a few years all shrink wrapped up and hope that I can again move back by the sea and enjoy her. Anyways, thanks again to all the people calling for a fair shot. Hope this suffices to answer the questions. If not, I will do my best to answer them here. Sorry, to onemorebythesea for your disapointment and hope everyone has a happy new year.

[rogerbum]

Good post - before you onsider shrink wrapping her for a few years - check with the dealer/factory to get the transom fixed. As I mentioned above, as long as th caus was not operator error, it should still be under warranty. Of you can get it fixed for free that would up the value,

[oldgrowth]

[pvaldez]

Can you send pictures to valdez4726@comcast.net?

Pam

[Byrdman]

Yall just trying to get me to drive to NY arn't you????

Naaa... Atlanta boat show next week, a 3 day trip down to the Gulf to look at and C-Trial another boat, then, a week up to Seattle to see my C-Dory Owning/C-Brat friends for fun...and festivitations and stuff.

But,,, Terry... if you are in NY and it is still warm... how about some other C-Dory owner input from one of use who are familar with these boats...and really looking forward to seeing you back out in Seattle....and your trip back down south.

Some of us have to work????? You mean everybody does not check this site 3 times a day....and comment on just about everything posted... Hummm..

[LAURIE ANN]