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Ken O
Joined: 05 Mar 2014 Posts: 123 City/Region: West Yellowstone
State or Province: MT
C-Dory Year: 1990
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Ravens' Roost
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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:06 pm Post subject: Dinghy boarding from a C-22 |
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We need a better method to get in and out of our dinghy. The dinghy is a 10 ft. skin-over-frame Whitehall-style, weighing around 40 lbs. It stores well, rows well, and handles waves well. We can get it to and from the cabin roof fairly easily. The only weak point is boarding from our C-22. We have a transom boarding ladder for swimming and emergency reboarding, but the transom does not work well for dinghy boarding.
What solutions are people using? It seems like some sort of movable ladder on the side of the cockpit might work. We are not as nimble as we once were...
Thanks. _________________ "If it were easy, everyone would be doing it." --Circumnavigator and author Larry Pardey. |
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Ken O
Joined: 05 Mar 2014 Posts: 123 City/Region: West Yellowstone
State or Province: MT
C-Dory Year: 1990
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Ravens' Roost
Photos: Ravens’ Roost
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Salmon Fisher
Joined: 07 Aug 2009 Posts: 831 City/Region: Arlington
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Kim Christine
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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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I would suggest securing the dinghy to the grab handle on the side of the cabin and to the aft cleat. Fenders along side, as well. To enter the dinghy you can then either put a short ladder with gunnel hooks over the side into the dinghy. Or you can sit on the gunnel and then move and sit down in the dinghy.
Very nice dinghy! _________________ Patrick and Kim Walker
2004 25 Cruiser-Present
2000 22 Cruiser 2009-2014 (Sold)
2006 25 Cruiser 2014-2019 (Sold)
1985 22 Classic -2019 (Sold)
1991 19 Arima Sea Ranger-2019-2021 (Sold)
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Donald Tyson
Joined: 24 Jul 2023 Posts: 238
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 7:22 am Post subject: |
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I'm looking forward to seeing how you solve this boarding issue. |
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Donald Tyson
Joined: 24 Jul 2023 Posts: 238
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 7:43 am Post subject: |
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I'm looking forward to seeing how you solve this boarding issue. |
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robhwa
Joined: 04 Dec 2013 Posts: 292 City/Region: Anderson Island
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Marcia C
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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I think I have solved the same problem for entering my very light kevlar canoes (10 ft and 12 ft Wee Lassies, 16 and 25 lb, respectively), Minnesota 2 (42 lbs) from the C-dory, at least mostly. The problem is that they are so light they tip easily, so, until you are in them sitting in the bottom, they are very unstable. The Minnesota 2 also needs some extra weight in the bottom for stability. I tried lashing the sides, and that kind of worked. Now, I lash them, take 5 gallon plastic Scepter water containers, fill them, and put one or two into the canoes. Having the 40 or 80 lbs in the bottom of the canoe makes the canoe much more stable. In the case of the Wee Lassies, I return them to the boat, for the Minnesota 2, I use them to balance and stabilize this otherwise tippy canoe. I got the containers to use on Everglades "Wilderness Waterway" trips by canoe where you need to carry all or most of your fresh water. Earlier, I removed the water tank from my CD22, and carry whatever freshwater I need in them. As I said, its a partial solution, but right now it works for me. _________________ Rob Harrison & Marcia Ciol
Anderson Island, WA
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Schuster
Joined: 25 Mar 2009 Posts: 159 City/Region: Port Orchard
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 21182 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Beautiful pulling boat~! We have always done the sit on the side of the boat, rotate the butt around technique. Or the step on the pontoon and into the inflatable boat. The issue you may have with this dinghy is the rounded chine--and lack of stability as you step on one side as in distinction to an inflatable where the inflated pontoon is as stable as is the floor. We had the same issue when using a hard dinghy or a 16' Gloucester Gull Dory as a dinghy with larger boats. In these we had a mahogany boarding ladder, but that would be too big for the C-Dory.
I might consider a removable ladder where it can be detached and perhaps even used as the bow ladder. The down side is that it costs $500. You could make your own mounts and use quick release pins thru the pivot point of the U shaped deck fitting on a standard Windline ladder. But then you have these rather obtrusive deck fittings.
Here is a link to an article on The Hull Truth, along with the link to the person who sells these mounts. The photo is a 5 step ladder but a 4 step, or perhaps even shorter, can be used as well.
An advantage of this is that the ladder stands out from the boat, and you are not fighting the gunnel hook, plus the ladder stows in a flat configuration, takes up little space, and a second set of the flush mounts is easy to install for the bow to the beach exit.
_________________ Bob Austin
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012 Posts: 3484 City/Region: SW Michigan
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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My 22 has two swim steps. I can board the dinghy from one swim step and then manage the dinghy position from that step while any passengers board from the other step. Having grab handles on the back of the hull also helps. |
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BigSwede
Joined: 27 Oct 2023 Posts: 22
State or Province: MN
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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I'm surprised that boat weighs only 40 pounds... what is the "skin" made of?
Because it is not a flat bottom boat I can see how it might be tippy to climb in from the side. If you could "hang" it from a cleat while boarding that might help.
While I think that dinghy would be awesome on the water, the logistics of loading the dinghy on to/off of the roof, and boarding the dinghy on the water makes me think a flat bottom inflatable might be best for me. |
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Ken O
Joined: 05 Mar 2014 Posts: 123 City/Region: West Yellowstone
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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The skin is 11 oz. Dacron sail cloth.
We bought the plans here:
https://gaboats.com/collections/row-boat/products/classic-10
The plans say the boat is actually 27 lbs., but we went with the heavier Dacron and added floorboards. It really is no trouble to get the boat in and out of the water--we just need to collapse the Bimini.
The suggestions so far have given me some good ideas to tinker with for boarding. I think we will get one more West Marine flat fender, secure the bow and stern to cleats and add a cam cleat for a line to steady the dinghy at mid-gunwale. This would be a start. |
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Ken O
Joined: 05 Mar 2014 Posts: 123 City/Region: West Yellowstone
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Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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BTW, we considered an inflatable, but we like to row, and this boat negates the need for another outboard. |
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BigSwede
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Ken O wrote: | BTW, we considered an inflatable, but we like to row, and this boat negates the need for another outboard. |
That's pretty cool. I'm struggling with the whole dinghy thing, but I have been advised it would be good to have one, with the dog and all. |
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Foggy
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Like most things that involve risk, especially to those in older age groups
(C-Dory owners...), a good dose of common sense and a reality check is needed.
On the topic if stepping down into a skittish dinghy from the gunwale or transom
of a boat, know your abilities and your limitations. Accidents happen. Risks and
sequela are higher for injuries from falls in the elderly.
Consider this real option: just don't do it.
Aye.
Dirty Harry even said, "A man has got to know his limitations." _________________ Keep an open mind just enough to not let your brain fall out. |
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Ken O
Joined: 05 Mar 2014 Posts: 123 City/Region: West Yellowstone
State or Province: MT
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C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Good point, Foggy. I think we will still proceed with setting up a system for boarding and try it out. We have a lifetime of experience in canoes and kayaks, (many more years than with the C-Dory) and have been pretty good at weighing risks. I think the key for us with the dinghy will be to judge the conditions (wind, waves, cold, are we tired, etc.) and always be willing to not go. Swimming is fun, but only when you plan to go swimming. Thanks for your thoughts. |
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