Upper Yukon River

[El and Bill]

Jay and Jo-Lee --

Yes, we have good memories of our brief visit with you at Bridge Bay when we were a pain-in-the-neck when you folks were trying to get your HunkyDory loaded on the trailer and on your way home. You gave us some good ideas about cruising on Yellowstone Lake and shared some of your northern trips with us -- we all wanted to have another few hours (or days) to visit.

We would all like to hear more about your experience on the Upper Yukon -- can't think of a better time (if you have the time?) or place (most folks on this site love to hear tales) -- as far as etiquette, this site is known as the pub -- a great place to put up our feet and relax and chat with each other. Nobody (except maybe Byrdman ) worries about spelling or writing ability -- it's a pub -- and the only requirement is to be nice, and we know you two are nice!

We are thinking of the summer of '07 and now considering several possibilities -- the Mackenzie in Canada and your suggestion of the Upper Yukon. If you could let us know where you launched and the safety (or cost) at the site to leave truck and trailer, how far you went, where you took out, and any hazards we should be aware of -- and some tidbits from your journey that you think would be fun to share -- that would be great -- when you have the time.

We would also appreciate any comments from anyone who has experience cruising on the Upper Yukon (or for that matter, other northern rivers -- we could start a thread on each different river and perhaps Chris's Great Adventure (Casey's GAI) will come to pass.

[Chris]

Another great idea! Clear, easier access sounds good to me. It will be great to hear comments and ideas about this possibility.

[dogon dory]

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[Hunkydory]

It feels strange and somewhat intimidating to share advise @ experience with especially you two and others also.

After checking a map you'll notice that close to the upper Yukon is located several long narrow finger like lakes that are all sources of the Yukon river. These are fjord like lakes surrounded by teton type mountains with glaciers feeding in from the junoe ice fields. Whole area is beautiful beyond words. The town of Atlin, Atlin Lake, and Atlin provincial Park are also beyond compare. Atlin provincial Park is like Yellowstone Park without rangers. Also Skagway and its access to the Inland Passage are all in the general area. I mention these other areas around the upper Yukon river, Because to me, if I had limited time going back, they would come 1st.

We left home, which is in southwest Wyoming on 7-17-03. Travaled up through Missoula, Kalispel, Bannif and Jasper Parks, Prince George, Fort Nelson and arrived Whitehorse, Yukon 7-20. Wonderful drive, roads good, many many animals. Bears, moose, sheep, elk, goats ect, ect. Could't find good place to store truck and boat trailer on a Sunday so continued on to Tagish Lake. There is a place to launch in Whitehorse. Its in approximately
the middle of town. Limited parking near by and need to find a storage place to store truck and trailer. I found one but they were not there on a Sunday @ its about 2 miles from the launch place. The better place to launch and leave trailer is Carmacks, which is down river 200 miles. From Carmacks you can go either up or down river. On a new river, I'am getting the feel for, I prefer to go up stream. I like to be able to easily back out of trouble.

Carmacks is approximately 125 miles north of Whitehorse on a good road. Its location is at the juction of the klondike and Campell Highways. The town is small. Not much more than gas stations grocery store and motel. Theres a fairly large parking area by the, I believe shell station, that let us park our pick up and trailer for no charge. Course I bought quite abit fuel from them. A camp ground is located very near the town on the river by launch. The launch is primitive with a little current but doable. I would not feel good about leaving my pickup ect in the camp ground or at the launch.

As I stated on the Mackenzie thread, I was advised not to take the C Dory from Carmacks to Whitehorse by a person that knew the river and C Dorys. I just didn't think he knew C Dorys as well as Jo-Lee and I, or the rest of us that use and love our boats. On the other hand I wouldn't recomend doing this river without river knowledge. The river is wide and channeled in areas and it moves deceptively fast with many sand and gravel bars. It traverses a very wild area without radio or phone service. We have a satilite phone, which way reduces the stress facter. I would also highly recommend buying the book "Yukon Channel Charts" by Bruce Batchelor. Its a sternwheeler-style strip maps of the Yukon River with good storys @pictures. We wounld't wanted to be without it. At times Jo-Lee was giving directions while I was reading the river and manuevering the boat. I bought this book through Amason books.
I'll try to finish this tomarrow evening. Must get up early for work.

Jay

[El and Bill]

Jay --
Great information -- looking forward to section 2, when you have time.

[El and Bill]

Dan --
Would Whitehorse to Dawson be a logical definition? We think it would be interesting for folks if you begin a section from Dawson down river to where ever you think is a logical take out (or turn around) place. What do you think?

Also, Dan, perhaps much of the Upper and 'Middle' Yukon is better navigated by canoe -- again, what's your opinion?

[Chris]

Jay...excellent, excellent write up! Chock full of good useful info. Can't wait for the next installment. Thanks.

[SeaSpray]

This all sounds very interesting! I have never been north of Vancouver Island. I looked up the driving directions for Whitehorse and it is almost 2500 miles for me. Looks like it would have to be an after retirement trip for us.

Steve
PS: Just finished the book "Blue Bear". Great read that makes me want to see some of the wilder parts of the country.

[Hunkydory]

section 2
Before continuing I would like to share our previous boating experience. This may give encouragement to others that would that like to go adventuring but feel they lack the ability or experience to go. Before purchasing our C Dory-used, in Jan 2003 from Gordon Lamont in Vancouver, British Columbia, neither Jo-Lee or I had ever operated any boat other than a canoe and small rubber inflatable. In Wyoming, we had only 2 months of boating weather with 8 one to two day outings to learn the boat in preparation for our Alaska-Yukon trip. I doubt this could have been done with any other boat than a C Dory. We are still known hazards around docks and other tight places! Preplanning for trips is essential, but if all we do is talk and plan, the boat will never leave the dock or trailer and we will only read about others stories of adventure. The year after this trip we went form Prince Rupert to Juno and back and then some.

On the Yukon River between Marsh and Tagish Lakes and on the highway between Jakes Corner and Carcross is the small town of Tagish. Directly across the the river from Tagish there is a marina where we paid $10 Canadian per day for safe truck @ trailer storage, also use of there boat launch. Very close to the marina there is a government campground and boat launch. Didn't feel good about leaving truck ect. there.

On a future trip to Tagish lake we would launch out of Carcross. There is a large parking lot there for viewing the remains of a sternwheeler that was rebuilt than burned. The town folk said that would be a good safe place to launch and leave truck. The launch would be very primitive but again doable. Carcross is located on the windy arm of Tagish lake at the junction of Tagish and Bennet Lakes. This is the route of the gold rush from the Chilcoat trail down the Yukon.

On 7-20-03 we left the marina heading up river to Tagish Lake. Made it 35 miles up lake to a nice cove where we built fire on beach and settled in for the night. Went to sleep listening to the distant roar of Racin Falls.

7-21. Up early and 51 miles more up lake to Ben My Cree. This is Gaelic for Lady of My Heart. This is located at the very inlet of the lake with huge ragged mountains on either side, leading from the lake into a beautiful valley with a glacier from the Juneau ice fields at the head. There is an old lodge and mine site built by one of the gold rush minors and in its day a destination for the early 1900's elite. The buildings are still in good condition. It is now owned by a very wealthy Californian. There is a welcome sign, saying "enjoy your stay and leave things as you found them." There is a wonderful book about this place called Klondike Paradise by C. R. Porter. Don't know if it can be bought at Amazon. We bought it at Jade City on the Cassiar Highway on the way home. Wished we had read it before going. We explored the buildings and area, read some very old newspapers, waded a glacier river, got lost @ found in alder's all while noticing extreme big bear sign in the area. There was a guest book in one of the building that we signed. Had only been 4 people in there that yeartodate. Most of the time I do carry a shotgun when were in these kind of places. Spent the night at another beautiful cove at the head of the inlet into Ben My Cree.

7-22 Explored rest of lake. Saw moose and caribou swimming across lake. Mama bear and cubs on lake edge. Saw a C-Dory at a Lodge on Gramme inlet. It was out of the water and in bad shape. Later found out it was owned by the person that had Ben My Cree. He had left it in the water over the winter and the ice had torn out the transom. This is how the owner of the marina knew about C Dorey. He was hoping to buy and rebuild it. In years past the owner of Ben My Cree had accessed it with the C Dory. The present owner is said to use a plane. Boat out of the water and drove to Skagway that evening. Launched the boat and spent the night at the dock after using the marinas wonderful hot shower.

7-23 Down Lynn Canal half way to Juneau. The Lynn Canal had been very storm the previous 3 days. We had a gorgeous smooth water crystal clear day after lingering morning fog. Many whales and they are not at all shy. I think this is due to the boat traffic in the Skagway to Haines and Juneau areas. In 2001 we were going from Skagway to Haines in our little inflateable and had a whale come up where we were looking into its blow hole so close its tail was under us. This was not of our choosing, but oh what a thrill!! Had a pod of dull porpoise's ride our bow wave and circling the boat and this was in crystal clear smooth water with bright sunshine. 1st time for us and one we'll never forget. Drawback for the day. Couldn't get our GPS and nobletech computor chart to connect so very carefull.

7-24 Skagway to Haines and back watching whales. Pulled boat out of water to leave Skagway and then on walk through town found store that sold what was needed to make computor and nobletech system work. So back in water and prepared for trip down Lynn Canel.

7-25 Left Skagway 3:30 am, down Lynn Canel and tried to go up Taku Inlet. Had studied about the Taku river and had wanted to explore it. At the inlet in front of Taku glacier we couldn't find the river channel. Very muddy water-depth bouncing between 2 and 6 feet, tide dropping so had to abandan our quest. Very dissapointed. In 2004 coming up from Prince Rupurt we tried again. That time after several groundings and having to get out of boat to get off mud bars and jet boats cruising buy we abanded this quest for good. Would have liked to explore the area, but don't like to be in the same area with the jet boats.
Headed off to Juneau for fuel. Didn't like harbor at Juneau, so left for Auke Bay Harbor. On way saw and filmed whales working together to feed on herring. "Just like on National Geografic." We didn't even know the whales where in the area. We had come arround a point cruising at about 14 mph and they exploded out of the water less than 100 yrds ahead of us. What a show!! We stopped imediately left the enging running and they did this several more times. We were very nervous when the seagulls were hovering right over us. They seem to follow the whales movements. Liked Auke Bay Harbor. Showered and then watched the eagles catching fish in the water arround the docks.

7-26 Back up Lynn Canel to Skagway. Explored St. James Bay and Boat Harbor Bay on the way. Boat Harbor Bay has an extremely narrow entrance with a beautiful round harbor inside. Bad wheather caught up with us 15 miles south of Haines. At least we had following seas. Highwinds, rain and bigger waves than we cared for. The C Dory handled it better than us, so no real fear. Stopped in Haines to hopefully let wind lesson. Ate lunch at restaurant above harbor. Then to Skagway-boat out of water and drove to Atlin. Payed $20 for a weeks dock space. Night at the Atlin dock.

7-27 Early morning up to Williston Inlet. Extreme winds and waves crossing lake. Later we talked to some people in town that saw us leave. They wondered who the fools were and didn't think our boat would take that kind of conditions. It was worse than the Lynn Canel, but other than being knocked about again the boat handled it well. Saw 2 bears along shore and watched Mt. goats on the cliffs above lake. At the cove where we spent the night geoglist had left racks of sample corings. They had been there for a long time. We brough a sample home with us.

7-28 A little fishing more sight seeing and animal watching. Looked over site we had to completely dissasemble our inflateable to repair leak on a trip in 2001.

Out of room-there will have to be a section 3 to get to the Yukon River

Jay

[El and Bill]

Great story with good info, Jay and Jo-Lee -- looking forward to Part 3 -- thanks so much for sharing.

[Hunkydory]

section 3

7-29 Cruised and a little more fishing. Up to now we had taken the advice of the Tagish marina owner to not try the Yukon between Whitehorse and Carmacks. It doesn't take very long no matter how pretty the country or plentiful the animals before Jo-Lee and I get itchy feet and feel like moving on. Sooo with us only having another week, actually 8 days before we had to be home. We decided to try the Yukon. Felt if was to bad, we would only go up a few miles before returning. Loaded boat just before dark, and spent night on turn out on the Atlin road.

7-30 Morning drive to Carmacks. Filled up extra 5 gal fuel containers with 30 gal of fuel. That gave us 70 gal to make Whitehorse 200 miles up river. There isn't any boat pull outs or fuel access between Carmacks and Whitehorse. Bought a shovel on the advise of a couple we met who spends alot of time boating on shallow water. They said if you ground bad enough and you're by yourself you won't get off without a shovel. Fortunately We never found out if they were right or not. Launching preporation for leaving went smooth. This was amazing, due to there being a large group of 1st Nation people watching our every move. We had only made about 3 miles up river when we messed up looking into the sun any way thats the excuse and took the wrong channel. Fortunately we have river running prop protectors so other than a little noise and our confidence shaken there was no damage. At this point we did come very close to turning arround. Glad we didn't. It was fairly late when we started and we continued up river later than we should have. For the 1st 30 miles or so there were plenty of places to set up for the night. By the time we really wanted to stop the river had narrowed, speeded up and no good places to tie off. We were getting very nervous and it was almost dark dark when we found a place in front of a old trappers cabin 50 miles up river.

7-31 The fast water areas of the river are narrow, deep and single channeled and easy to navigate. Its the many channeled fairly slow [that can be deceptive] moving areas that can be difficult. The book with charts I suggusted earlier really helps, though it can't be completely trusted due to the bars and channels changing from year to year. There are many canoes and kayaks and a few navtive boats. Also an occational small boat. I didn't see another boat the size of 22 C Dory. Most every one starts late and quits early. From Lake Labarge to Whitehorse there are several nice well located and maintained camp grounds for boaters. The river section from Carcross to Dawson is easier than from Carmacks to Whitehorse. I haven't been in the Dawson to Carmacks section, but this is what I was told. I think Dan's suggestion from Whitehorse to Dawson would be a good choice. He's also right in that it would be better navigated by canoe. I just liked the challenge and conveniece of the C Dory. The entrance of the Yukon to lake labarge is very shallow. I couldn't find much more than 2' of water. Its possible I wasn't in the channel though we really looked.

At approximately 100 miles we tied up to the wrecked hull of the sternwheeler klondike 1. Its moter boiler ect was installed into the klondike 2 which has been completely restored and can be toured along the river by Whitehorse. At the juction of the Teslin and Yukon rivers there is a old boat yard where a large paddle wheeler was pulled out of the river in the 1920's and has been sitting there ever since.

[Hunkydory]

Ran out of room and time will finish the last section tomarrow.

Jay

[Aiviq]

I canoed the Yukon from Whitehorse to Dawson City as a teenager 30 some years ago (good lord!). It was with a junior-high school group from Anchorage. A couple of motorboats accompanied us. It took about 2 weeks in the canoes. Really great trip. Two small rapids to negotiate - Rink rapids and five-finger rapids. I can't remember if they were before or after Carmacks, but I don't think either of them would be too great an impediment to a C-Dory. Lake Labarge was the biggest challenge for us - from a canoeist’s standpoint. Again, no problem for a C-Dory. I've always wanted to do it again. Looking forward to the last installment, Jay. Brings back memories.

Jim

[dogon dory]

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[tpbrady]

Dan,

I have a friend who keeps telling me to take my boat to the Koyokuk for moose hunting in September. Put in at the Dalton Hwy and then go downstream to Galena and the Koyokuk. The trip back is "light" since you ship any meat and antlers out of Galena.

I've know several people who have done it multiple times, but I'm not quite ready to try it. I would be up for the Canada trip though. The lakes sound like a good adventure.