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smckean (Tosca)
Joined: 18 Jan 2014 Posts: 975 City/Region: Guemes Island (Anacortes)
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Tosca
Photos: Tosca
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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colbysmith wrote: | Sandy, I think you would be surprised how much power that the kicker would provide. As long as you have less than 5 kts of current, it'll move you. |
Understand. However, it's not speed thru the water that I am referencing; it is sea state. I was a bit surprised coming down the west coast of Vancouver Island how much power it required to "drive up" large swells; and even more so, how I had to use the throttle to "dance" in chaotic large wind waves. When the wind waves were 6 or 7 feet high, and especially when they came from multiple directions, I had to accelerate and decelerate strongly and constantly to maintain control. I just can't believe I would have had a chance with a 10 horsepower engine. _________________ Sandy McKean
Purchased Tosca in 2014
Re-powered to Yammi 200 in 2015 |
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Hunkydory
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2660 City/Region: Cokeville, Wyoming
State or Province: WY
C-Dory Year: 2000
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Hunkydory
Photos: Hunkydory-Jay-and-Jolee
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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smckean (Tosca) wrote: | colbysmith wrote: | Sandy, I think you would be surprised how much power that the kicker would provide. As long as you have less than 5 kts of current, it'll move you. |
Understand. However, it's not speed thru the water that I am referencing; it is sea state. I was a bit surprised coming down the west coast of Vancouver Island how much power it required to "drive up" large swells; and even more so, how I had to use the throttle to "dance" in chaotic large wind waves. When the wind waves were 6 or 7 feet high, and especially when they came from multiple directions, I had to accelerate and decelerate strongly and constantly to maintain control. I just can't believe I would have had a chance with a 10 horsepower engine. |
Yep! _________________ Jay and Jolee 2000 22 CD cruiser Hunkydory
I will not waste my days in trying to prolong them------Jack London
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chromer
Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Posts: 952 City/Region: Anacortes
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 19 Angler
Photos: Checkpoint II
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Harvey on SleepyC is the twin guy.
I really like twin Yanmars on my B-28. Since the props are spread out, i really get the benefit of turning on axis. I've heard twin outboards being closer together, the benefit isn't as strong, but still there. _________________
Checkpoint II (SOLD 10/2020)
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DayBreak
Joined: 16 Jul 2017 Posts: 853 City/Region: Monmouth, Or.
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 2018
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: DayBreak
Photos: DayBreak
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Sandy, great example in what you describe. It takes a lot of power to climb up a steep wave and to maintain control. In this situation, having twins would be better than having a kicker as long as at-least one twin motor is operational. _________________ Gary F
DayBreak, 23 Venture, 2018 - present |
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bridma
Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 1155 City/Region: Comox
State or Province: BC
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Nomad
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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As a test to myself to prove that I could do it with twins. I entered my marina, did a 90 degree right turn, straight ahead for about 200 ft, 90 degree left turn, then 50 ft straight, followed by a 90 degree right turn into my slip. All this was achieved without me touching the steering wheel once. Such is the manouverability with twins.
Martin. |
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alainP
Joined: 07 Oct 2016 Posts: 198 City/Region: TUCSON
State or Province: AZ
C-Dory Year: 2011
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: deja la
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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wind or no wind? |
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bridma
Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 1155 City/Region: Comox
State or Province: BC
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Nomad
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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No wind.
Martin. |
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djy887
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 31 City/Region: Bainbridge Island
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1999
C-Dory Model: 24 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Still un-named (yeah, I know)
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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I can't imagine a situation where someone would say "Damn, I wish I had only one motor". I 've had to motor home on a kicker on a Bayliner (yup, I deserved that one...a slow roll to nowhere) and paddle home a sailboat when my little 2-stroke 3hp Tohatsu died with no wind.
Twins...every day of the week and twice on Sundays! |
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7887 City/Region: marysville
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1984
C-Dory Model: 27 Cruiser
Vessel Name: to be decided later
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | "Damn, I wish I had only one motor" |
It happens when you are trying to troll and even one motor at idle is .5 mph to fast and you are not catching a dam thing. If you dont troll then no problem.
The other time is when you hit something in the water and take out both props or lower units. Now you are dead in the water. If you have a single and kicker you are not stuck in the water. You can get to saftey if not home. but safety is better.
With cdorys twins being so close together you are more likely to get both motors on a log or reef then not.
As I have said the question should be twins vs single with a kicker.. but no one is going to change thier minds.. I mean some people still drive eletric cars regardless of all the facts.... even chevy EVs. I need a pop stirring emoji _________________ Thomas J Elliott
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012 Posts: 3382 City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SoBELLE
Photos: SoBelle
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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djy887 wrote: | I can't imagine a situation where someone would say "Damn, I wish I had only one motor". ... |
When the service interval is reached and you get the bill. |
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bridma
Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 1155 City/Region: Comox
State or Province: BC
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Nomad
Photos: Nomad
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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I had twins plus a outboard for the dinghy onboard every where I went. Any advance on 3 engines on a C-Dory ?
Martin. |
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T.R. Bauer
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 1735 City/Region: Wasilla
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Whisperer
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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bridma wrote: | I had twins plus a outboard for the dinghy onboard every where I went. Any advance on 3 engines on a C-Dory ?
Martin. |
I often do too. Somewhere in that dialog above was to buy the best boat you can find regardless if it has twins or a single. I completely agree. |
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bridma
Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 1155 City/Region: Comox
State or Province: BC
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Nomad
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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I agree. Buy the best condition boat you can find, regardless of power. When I was searching for a C-Dory I had already made that decision. Mine came with twins, I was super happy. I would have been just as happy if it had come with a single. I do not fish so I never had to give a thought to a kicker for trolling speeds.
I did have a kicker bracket that I was going to put on the stern but I sold the boat before I got around to it. I kept my dinghy outboard on a homemade bracket on the deck. It fits nicely in that gap between the gunnel and the cabin door when the door is in the open position and latched. My thinking being if the twins both crap out at the same time, the little outboard will get me somewhere. A bonus being a fisherman (or woman) could use it for trolling.
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Hunkydory
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2660 City/Region: Cokeville, Wyoming
State or Province: WY
C-Dory Year: 2000
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Hunkydory
Photos: Hunkydory-Jay-and-Jolee
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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As posted before, I personally prefer the twins over a single with kicker, though I do agree with there being pros & cons to each, but as for the con of taking a hit so hard on both of the twin motors hard enough to disable both props or motors to be a exceedingly rare event. If in known shallows & if possible, as when current is low enough, I proceed on one motor & it sometimes slightly tilted up. But going against the seemingly conventional wisdom here, I believe in normal running, rare enough for me, so as to not qualify on the con, for twins, especially on a boat with the speed capability of a C-Dory. Perhaps others have a long list, but I’ve yet to hear of anyone running twins on a CD 22/25 or even other boat in the CD22/25 normally run speed range taking out both motors by debri or bottom hit. Some may have damaged both props or spun one, but loss of thrust more than the thrust of a kicker only, very doubtful. I’ve spent a lot of time/miles exploring charted & uncharted shallow water at displacement speed & on plane where few boats of the C-Dory type venture with many hits to the props on debris or rocks in the process, ruining a few aluminum props & hitting rocks hard enough to take out a skeg on one motor, when running both at higher speed, but never damaged a motor on either twin or damaged both props at the same time or even spun a single prop, let alone both. Outboard motor manufacturers, especially mercury, test their lower units by purposely having them hit or be hit by obstructions to see what the lower units can withstand without damage to motor or the boat. Big difference when hits are made at very high speed, beyond the capability of the usual speed for a CD 22/25.
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