Permatrims: My 2 cents

[C Sniper]

I have read most of the stuff and was lucky my vessle can with permatrims on the twin 40's. Man that was sweet, not only could I smooth it out by stuffing the nose in but also level things out when I had an uneven load. Now after a repower I am down to a single 115 and put about 50 hrs on without one. Wow what a difference! To be fair I am teaching kiteboarding off the boat so I am often out in 20-30 knot winds ripping over a shallow estuary, so very tight bumpy chop. The first 50 hrs I was limited to about 3600 rpm (13 knots) when running into it on the way back in, any faster and the ride was too rough. Me and the my son just installed one the other day and finally got out yesterday to try it. He was kiting and I was watching/giving tips via the radio helmet from the cabin. The winds started out in the high 20's and backed off to mid 20's by the time we called it. The ride in was GREAT. We were cutting across the chop at about 45-60 degrees like I always have done but we we running more like 4500 rpms and 20+ knots. The ride was smoother than it used to be going waaaaay slower. Anyway now that I have actually tried with, on dual engine, and both ways on a single. I thought I could finally chime in and say I am a huge fan and have felt the difference first hand.

[NORO LIM]

You won't get any argument from me! I am a big fan and proponent of Permatrims. I made my first round trip to Alaska without them, and my next two with. Night and day difference - especially heading into short chop. With Permatrims on twin engines, I found no need for trim tabs.

[daninPA]

Absolutely, positively yes on Permatrim!

A Yamaha 115 on the stern of our CD22 made the purchase just about mandatory.

[C Sniper]

can someone with permatrims and trim tabs chime in here as well. Even though the permas made a HUGE difference there is still alot of "gentle bumps" charging into it upwind, at a shallow angle to boot. The more I am using this boat for work the more I like it! I am wondering how much more I can smash the nose in and further smooth out the ride by adding tabs? My center console has tabs but not a foil... I think partly I miss being able to level the boat as well. ugh, single engine repower regret perhaps... why can't the passengers just stay seated! hahaha

[Hunkydory]

The Permatrims on my twin Honda 60’s are much larger than the ones on my replaced Honda 40’s. My now Permatrims would fit all Honda’s between 60 hp & 150 hp, yet I still have & use the Bennett trim tabs too. I run heavy & with the extra hp of the twin 60’s, find the combination of the larger permitrims & trim tabs very useful in varying boat weight & sea conditions.

Jay

[C Sniper]

ha, I knew I was justified adding tabs to the list of endless expenses/upgrades I want to do!!! damgit, I lose again

[davidJ]

On my 19 I have both trim tabs and a permatrim. The tabs are a must on the 19, as it is like a 22 with the back 3' cut off. Usually, I trim the permatrim for max revs. on the motor and use the tabs to adjust from side to side and to bring the bow down when going thru the bigger waves and also to come up on plane when running heavy. We have to slow down a bit in the waves when we trim down or else the boat gets a little squarely, but we still get bounced around some in the 3 and 4 footers as slow usually means 15 to 20 mph. I guess the only thing the permatrim does on my boat is to make the waves think I'm a 20- footer instead of a 19.

[C Sniper]

Would be great to try tab and trims all at the same time! Sounds like you like your setup! thanks for posting! another vote for me to break out another couple thou, ((sad face)). Where is that lottery ticket I bought last night??? haha

[PaulNBriannaLynn]

We had a 22 with twin 40s with permatrims for a number of years, and later a 22 with a single outboard, also with a permatrim. Both boats had tabs. I'd say I could have possibly gotten by without the tabs if I had to, on the first boat with twins. The two permatrims on the twins kept the bow down and I could adjust side to side. On the boat with a single, I think tabs are an absolute necessity, unless you opt to move a lot of the weight off the stern somehow with saddle tanks and batteries forward. We had issues with the lenco controls a few times and the boat did not handle the way I wanted it to without tabs.

[C Sniper]

another vote for both, thanks for the feedback

[hardee]

The advantage of either tabs or Permatrim is that you can drive the bow down into chop, but in following seas your can negate the tabs, (not so much the permatrim) so you decrease the chance of bow steering should you get some big lift from waves aft.

Much easier to flip a switch than to move ballast.

Harvey
SleepyC

[C Sniper]

Yes offshore in following seas I had a couple episodes of short lived excitement. In the laguna there is no concern for this as the shallow water does not allow true waves to form. We get following chop.

[daninPA]

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