Twin Honda 50 feedback needed

[markm]

Fantastic. This is why we have this group. Valued input. I really appreciate all the comments. I will be getting a Honda estimate Monday morning and then deciding between the Honda 60s and the Suzuki 60s.

I can always throttle down pretty tough to throttle up.

[thataway]

When I compare outboards, I don't pay as much attention to the HP as I do the displacement. Weight is also important and for our little boats the alternator output is also important. (capacity to charge house batteries/ the amount used by the engine.)

Comparing 3 models that your are considering:

The Honda 40 and 50 hp: 808 cc/49.5 cu in; 214#

The Honda 60 larger block: 998 cc/61 cu in 239#

The Suzuki which is 40, 50 & 60 on the same block: 941 cc/57.4 cu in. 229#

They are all fuel injected and have about the same charging capacity. All will give better results than the older 40 hp Honda you have, just fuel injection and older engine being "worn" will make significant difference.

I believe your best choice is between any Suzuki 40/50/60 and Honda 60. There is one other factor and that is the Honda 60 can be counter rotation. For me that is a significant advantage.

I have owned equal number of Suzuki and Honda in the last 20 years. Both have been trouble free and in the 90 hp to 150 hp range. The Suzukis have been faster because of the prop size and gearing.

So it boils down to availability, cost, and service nearby.

[Foggy]

I had twin Honda 90s on my 2014 26 CD Venture.

I don't know if twin 100s (available now) would have gotten me "out of the hole"
quicker than the jackrabbit starts as the 90s gave me but I probabley would have
gone for the 100s if they were available then. Keep in mind CDs are relatively
flat bottom planing vessels, and past their 'tolerance speed', per Mfg, they get
squirrely.

Yes, 'horsepower (HP)' is dated (Ya' think?). Even engine cubic inches are not a
true indicator of performance, other than more usually wins over less. It comes
down to "the details"; Mfg claims..., carborated, EFI, turbo or supercharged, use,
weight, prop(s), hull design, vessel load, sea condition, etc.

For us average Joes, Mfg maximum HP ratings are important, not cu in, (violated
you lose insurance, maybe more).

My bottom line is, keep within the specs, and do not underpowered your vessel.

Aye.

[T.R. Bauer]

[markm]

I will have to do some searching on the counter rotating props on a 60hp . My local Honda dealer said that was not the case and they don't counter rotate until you get up into the 115s. Just making sure I cover all the bases now. I did get a quote on the Honda 60s and they added approx $1000 over the Suzuki 60s. So it really comes down to cost of ownership and performance.

[DayBreak]

markm,
You may also want to get a quote from Sportcraft Marina in Portland, Or. on a honda or suzuki. https://www.sportcraftmarina.com/ They sell both and seem to always have the lowest prices. They will do a great job with the installs and you will not have to pay sales tax.
Not sure if the prop walk on 60 hp motors is that much of a concern to warrant the use of counter rotation on the port side.

[Hunkydory]

[markm]

[-Waypoint-]

Wanted to put my 2 cents in. DON'T waste your money on the BF50's. I just repowered my boat with BF40's EFI 2022 engines. I looked into the BF50's just because thought it might be worth the extra $2000 more for top end push "IF" needed".

After putting 28 hours on the 2022 BF40 EFI engines I am so glad that I did not buy the BF50's. Went on a 4 day camping trip last week. My boat was loaded with 50 gallons of fuel, 40 gallons of water, 300 lbs. of ice coolers, clothing, Honda 2200 generator, grill, clothing, pots pans, extra anchors, food, dive gear, and a rooftop a/c., and 350 lbs. of people.

I did not run at WOT with the BF40's. I ran at 90% throttle and still cruised at 15kts! My boat was fully loaded. I operate the boat at sea level in tropical salt water. Not in a freshwater cold lake in the mountains. If I did, I would go for the BF60's. Don't buy the BF50's.

Go with the BF40's if you run in salt water.

[Hunkydory]

[Hunkydory]

[markm]

Jay, Thank you! I truly appreciate the shared information and welcome back to WY.
The boat is in the shop, and I already have one of the 40s sold. One to go. 60s are sitting there in crates waiting to be installed. I will share your discoveries with the guys there. It should definitely save some time getting it dialed in.

Cheers

[real550A]

Have read this thread with great interest, as I have purchased a C22 Cruiser with twin Honda 40's (2004 boat & motors). Although, they have 600/1200 hours, and should be good for a while, I need to be educated on repower options for the future.
Curiously, the thread discusses Honda, Suzuki, Tohatsu, but doesn't mention Yamaha. Am I missing something?
If I repower, I would be thinking a single 90 for intercoastal & Florida waters, primarily. A single would lighten me up by 150 lbs, simplify my boat systems, and probably extend my range.
Interested in your thoughts, and appreciate all input.
Mike

[T.R. Bauer]

[thataway]

You might consider a 115. I have had several 115 Yamahas, which were good engines. Both of the 22’s I owned had 90’s on an Evinrude, and the other had a 90 Honda, carbureted—for for the fuel injections.