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colbysmith
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 Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 11:14 pm Post subject: Traveling with boat is getting to be a PITA! |
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What is it that more and more states think they need to add more and more fees to out of state boaters. I just learned that I need to get a "Motorized Boat Aquatic Invasive Species Prevention Permit" to launch my boat in Oregon. And if my Kayak is longer than 10 feet, I have to get a separate "Waterway Access Permit" for it. I haven't checked yet to see if I need anything special for the Washington State waters around the San Juans. Seems to me, if you are legal to run your boat and kayak in your home state, you should be legal to do so in other states, within a reasonable amount of time. Unfortunately, Utah and Yellowstone National Park are requiring special passes as well. I hate saying it, but I certainly hope my state is reciprocating these additional fees with those from other states charging extra fees! It's mostly those states in the west adding all these additional fees. And of course then there will be the watercraft inspections to deal with as I travel west...  Colby |
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Traveling with boat is getting to be a PITA! |
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| colbysmith wrote: | | What is it that more and more states think they need to add more and more fees to out of state boaters. I just learned that I need to get a "Motorized Boat Aquatic Invasive Species Prevention Permit" to launch my boat in Oregon. And if my Kayak is longer than 10 feet, I have to get a separate "Waterway Access Permit" for it. I haven't checked yet to see if I need anything special for the Washington State waters around the San Juans. Seems to me, if you are legal to run your boat and kayak in your home state, you should be legal to do so in other states, within a reasonable amount of time. Unfortunately, Utah and Yellowstone National Park are requiring special passes as well. I hate saying it, but I certainly hope my state is reciprocating these additional fees with those from other states charging extra fees! It's mostly those states in the west adding all these additional fees. And of course then there will be the watercraft inspections to deal with as I travel west... Colby |
Lots of places are implementing AIS inspection requirements and permit fees. Places that haven't are demonstrating why they are being required. |
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2022 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Colby, you are correct in your assessment. Being residents of Oregon, we also have this trouble in our travels to the San Juans in Washington State. We know of people who have not paid the fees and have not been caught or fined. Not recommending this but this is the info we have.
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colbysmith
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Colby, you are correct in your assessment. Being residents of Oregon, we also have this trouble in our travels to the San Juans in Washington State. We know of people who have not paid the fees and have not been caught or fined. Not recommending this but this is the info we have. |
Oh oh, is there a special permit for there too? I googled for Washington State, and didn't see any special permits needed for it's waters, as long as I'm properly registered in my own state, and don't exceed 60 days. I am aware of the state park dock fees and availability of an annual pass.
I did just purchase the permit for Oregon waters for my upcoming time on the Columbia River. Colby |
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One wonders if it is about collecting a fee, or preventing the spread. You will be entirely in Salt water with your San Juans trip...If you were going to rivers or lakes it might be a different story.
The good news is that. you don't have to get the permit for your kayak or tender in Washington State.
On the other hand: | Quote: | | This bivalve mollusk (Zebra Mussel) is native to the Caspian Sea, lagoons of the Black Sea, and their inflowing rivers. It lives in fresh and brackish water and cannot tolerate full seawater. |
| Quote: | | A conservative estimate of the lethal salt concentration for quagga/zebra mussels is 10 to 15 parts per thousand (ppt). The average ocean salinity is 35 ppt. However, the duration of exposure necessary for the salt water to kill the mussels is unknown. |
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After seeing what happened to Lake Powell, courtesy of quagga muscles, I’m thankful that states are inspecting boats as they cross borders.
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Gary, thanks for that link. The other pain about all this, is the info isn't always readily available or easy to find... Colby |
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colbysmith
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| Quote: | One wonders if it is about collecting a fee, or preventing the spread. You will be entirely in Salt water with your San Juans trip...If you were going to rivers or lakes it might be a different story.
The good news is that. you don't have to get the permit for your kayak or tender in Washington State. |
Hi Bob,
I did get the Oregon permit, as I'll be on the Columbia River. But launching and retrieving in Warrenton, so more or less in the salt water there... Guess I'd better get Washington too, but all my cruising there will be in salt water, so it makes no sense. I suspect it's just another way for the state to rake in income... Colby |
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colbysmith
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| Quote: | After seeing what happened to Lake Powell, courtesy of quagga muscles, I’m thankful that states are inspecting boats as they cross borders.
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It's all cosmetic really. Considering all the water passages on boats and motors. But I suppose it helps if they are catching anything on the outside surfaces... Colby |
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This is good to know that I really need to bone up on local laws before I bring my boat south of the border.
I do find is somewhat comical that in the "Land of the Free', you need to pay fees to boat in many states. Yet, here in the "Socialist" Great White North all you need is a Pleasure Craft Operator Card, which is a once in a lifetime investment and boat registration is lifetime and free.
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| Peter & Judy wrote: | This is good to know that I really need to bone up on local laws before I bring my boat south of the border.
I do find is somewhat comical that in the "Land of the Free', you need to pay fees to boat in many states. Yet, here in the "Socialist" Great White North all you need is a Pleasure Craft Operator Card, which is a once in a lifetime investment and boat registration is lifetime and free. |
In the US you have to pay to visit most national parks which are there for the benefit of all citizens. Except those who can't pay.
| Quote: | | It's all cosmetic really. Considering all the water passages on boats and motors. But I suppose it helps if they are catching anything on the outside surfaces... Colby |
Most places that are trying to combat AIS have requirements that not only have you clean your boat, but it is supposed to sit out to dry for 5-7 days between bodies of water. At Lake Mead you are supposed to dry your boat off before you leave the ramp when retrieving it. If they see you driving away with water dripping from the boat, it can be subject to confiscation.
On the other hand, at Lake Mead they have a decontamination station that is supposed to clean your boat with hot water to kill the mussel larvae. I used to visit the lake fairly regularly when I worked in LAS, I only saw the station open once in my many visits. |
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| Quote: | | It's all cosmetic really. Considering all the water passages on boats and motors. But I suppose it helps if they are catching anything on the outside surfaces... Colby |
Although various watercraft are subject to damage from the invasive mussels, the greater harm is the intakes of dam, especially for electrical generation. It also affects domestic water intakes.
In boats it is often the bilge water which is not checked. We have had them look at the bottom of the boat, but never look at the sump in the bilge--where often there is a small amount of water.
It is thought that the mussels came in the water ballast which many ships carry--and that was discharged, along with the larval stage in the Great Lakes. These were first in Lake St. Clair in 1986-87.
Not sure if you have seen some of the houseboats on Lake Powell, but their lower units and out drives are badly coated with the mussels. |
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