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Surveyor1
Joined: 05 Sep 2021 Posts: 25 City/Region: Friday Harbor
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1998
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Jett
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Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:13 pm Post subject: Acoustics |
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So I love my new-to-me ‘98 cd22 but feel like the acoustics could be better in the cabin, mainly while under way. I was thinking about lining the ceiling and maybe walls with some 12x12 acoustic ceiling tiles. Has anyone ever tried this? |
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srbaum
Joined: 30 Aug 2010 Posts: 877 City/Region: Portsmouth
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Osprey
Photos: Osprey
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Surveyor1
Joined: 05 Sep 2021 Posts: 25 City/Region: Friday Harbor
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1998
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Jett
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:13 am Post subject: Acoustics |
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Wow, that looks good. I like the wood treatment.
I’m definitely going to do that. |
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012 Posts: 3373 City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SoBELLE
Photos: SoBelle
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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I think the primary advantage to the ceiling tiles would be condensation abatement, rather than noise control.
In my 22, the primary noise sources are the motor and the water against the hull. Closing the cabin door helps a lot with the engine noise. Tiles on the ceiling won't help much with the hull noise. Eventually you be able to tell when the hull is riding nicely by the sound of the water rushing along the hull.
If you are concerned about ambient noise passing through the hull when sleeping, I find that a white noise generator hooked into the sound system works great for times when we are not using the AC or a fan. |
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Marco Flamingo
Joined: 09 Jul 2015 Posts: 1155 City/Region: Seattle
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Limpet
Photos: Limpet
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Chester
Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 1176 City/Region: home
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sold to lovely couple
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:57 am Post subject: |
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I'd look into acoustic paint too. |
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C-Wolfe
Joined: 16 Sep 2020 Posts: 257 City/Region: Anchorage
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Wolfe
Photos: C-Wolfe
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:28 am Post subject: |
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Chester wrote: | I'd look into acoustic paint too. |
Has anyone try one of those acoustic or insulating paint? I would like to have feedback and/or recommendation. In my case it would be mostly for insulation as a way to diminish condensation during shoulder saison (read cold and wet Alaska spring and fall saison).
I'm interested in trying HyTech microsphere ceramic paint additive, anybody already try this product?
Thanks _________________ Stephan B.
C-Wolfe 22 C-Dory cruiser 2020- present
No Name; Bayliner explorer 26 2012-2015
sparkle; Ericson 25 CB 2008-2012
Sculpin; Drascombe Drifter 2005-2008 |
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012 Posts: 3373 City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SoBELLE
Photos: SoBelle
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:23 am Post subject: |
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I did the inside of my boat with Hy-tech SC#1000. It is supposed to be a "sound control coating". I applied it based on a posting on this site about its insulating qualities.
I did 3 coats of SC#1000 followed by 3 coats of latex paint. The result makes the interior brighter, but I doubt that it makes much difference to either the sound transmission or the insulating qualities. What can you expect from something that is 1-2 mm thick? Probably need to have something at least 1/4" thick to get any appreciable change in the acoustic or insulation properties.
I did not have a lot of experience with the boat before I treated the interior so I can't really compare the difference. I did the interior when I first got the boat because it was easier to do it right away vs. after I started modding it.
I did see a different boat, but about the same size as my 22. The owners of that boat had come up with a good insulating surface treatment but I don't recall what it was. The guy who's boat it was is the same guy who has a project to lengthen a CD hull by a couple of feet what was posting on this site. You might want to search for that.
FWIW, I'm not sure I'd do the interior again. It is a big job to remove everything you can, unhang all the wires, and mask everything left so you can paint it.
They do make applique insulation/acoustic materials that people use for camper van conversions. Works well enough in that application. Might work ok in a C-Dory if you can affix it well enough. In some cases, the sound deadening is accomplished/aided by adding mass to the panel with the applique. To do an entire CD22 might add a significant amount of weight to an already weight sensitive boat (compared to a van).
An easy way to add insulation and sound attenuation (IMO) would be to line the boat interior with wood. If you used thin strips (1/4-3/8" thick) you could apply them to the inside of the cabin and berth. Thin strips would flex reasonably well and be easier to cut, shape, and install than large panels. Be a bit time consuming though. |
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T.R. Bauer
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 1726 City/Region: Wasilla
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Whisperer
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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I hear you. I finally just decided years ago to just forget about it. I have twins and there is a weird harmonic pulse between the 2 engines at exactly the same rpm. I pretty sure it is because the sinusoidal wave lengths are in phase with each other and that causes it. Not much I can do about it....varying the rpm slightly does help a lot. But then there is all the other noise too.....the cabin of the 22 isn't really that quiet - nor are ouboards at 5.5k rpms. Yup I'm saying just give up.....lol..... |
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012 Posts: 3373 City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SoBELLE
Photos: SoBelle
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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T.R. Bauer wrote: | I hear you. I finally just decided years ago to just forget about it. I have twins and there is a weird harmonic pulse between the 2 engines at exactly the same rpm. I pretty sure it is because the sinusoidal wave lengths are in phase with each other and that causes it. Not much I can do about it....varying the rpm slightly does help a lot. But then there is all the other noise too.....the cabin of the 22 isn't really that quiet - nor are ouboards at 5.5k rpms. Yup I'm saying just give up.....lol..... |
FWIW, I've noticed (in my boat anyway) that there is a node in the sound that seems to make the engine noise louder at the front of the cabin (i.e. the helm) than at other places. |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12632 City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
Photos: SleepyC
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2021 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Noise, What (not white) noise. But then, I leave myu hear aids out
Then, if that doesn't work for you, Close the cabin door. Slow Down, (who needs to run at 5500 RPM?) Fast for my 40's is 4200, quiet is somewhere below 5 knots, and before there is a bow wave.
And sometimes I even play music I can hear above the 4 knot bow wave and the 1500 rpm engines.
You might try putting up a sound wall at the front of the Splash well. That worked for OG Dave on his Stretch 16.
Harvey
SleepyC
_________________ Though in our sleep we are not conscious of our activity or surroundings, we should not, in our wakefulness, be unconscious of our sleep. |
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T.R. Bauer
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 1726 City/Region: Wasilla
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Whisperer
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:08 am Post subject: |
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People turning high 5000-6000 rpms have small outboards and are having to travel many hours to get to their destination. They might also not be retired and have a schedule. Things are pretty spread out here. |
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SnowTexan
Joined: 08 Aug 2019 Posts: 185 City/Region: Carlton
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Miss Maria
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Over hull speed the plugs go in or the muffs go on in our boat. Reduces operating fatigue, protects hearing (especially that of my kids), is a good reminder that you are operating a dangerous machine, and solves acoustic issues for pennies on the dollar. Plus if you go the muffs route, you look awesome when you forget to take them off at the fuel dock. WHAT!? WHAT!? YEAH REGULAR GASOLINE THANKS! |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12632 City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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" . . . . Plus if you go the muffs route, you look awesome when you forget to take them off at the fuel dock. WHAT!? WHAT!? YEAH REGULAR GASOLINE THANKS!"
Well, and then some of us just look awesome. But that is a good rule. Protect your hearing while you still have it.
Harvey
SleepyC
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Knipet
Joined: 11 Nov 2018 Posts: 262 City/Region: Orcas Island
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: Pan-A-C'ya
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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hardee wrote: | " . . . . Plus if you go the muffs route, you look awesome when you forget to take them off at the fuel dock. WHAT!? WHAT!? YEAH REGULAR GASOLINE THANKS!"
Well, and then some of us just look awesome. But that is a good rule. Protect your hearing while you still have it.
Harvey
SleepyC
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Hey Harvey, so that is what you actually look like? I never seen you without the beard! _________________ Steve & Joanie
2021 Venture 23 "Pan-A-C'ya
Formerly C-Sharp - 2006 22 Cruiser |
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