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daninPA
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:33 pm Post subject: Hammock for sleeping |
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After years of sleeping on a Thermarest on the ground (Army, backpacking) I finally tried a hammock.
After finding the right trees, spaced the right distance apart, tensioning the lines just right, figuring out how to get in an out, I quickly learned a hammock outdoors gave me the best night’s sleep in my life.
This is not the backyard hammock or the little twine balls sold in outdoor shops — this is a Hennessy Hammock with mosquito netting.
Has anyone else tried using a real hammock on board? While the V-berth is an option, I’m certain the hammock will be far more comfortable IF I can figure out where to lash it. |
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dutch123
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:41 am Post subject: |
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I have also considered this. I wonder on a 22 cruiser if there is adequate room corner to corner in the cockpit if you secured one end to the stainless grab bar on the cabin and the other end to a length of tubing custom built to fit in a rod holder. ( my boat has rod holders quite far aft ). This way you could match the height of the grab bar and potentially limit the amount of swinging if your anchorage was a tad rolly. Might not be enough room…not sure. Possibly extend the custom made bar on an angle to increase length? _________________ My dream boat has arrived! |
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daninPA
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:52 am Post subject: |
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I thought there may be a possibility of putting an eyebolt on the V berth bulkhead but the material is not strong enough to support a loaded hammock.
The distance between rod holders is also too short to deploy my Hennesy hammock (or any other hammock I would fit in).
Perhaps an eyebolt near the anchor windlass mount on one end, the other on the cockpit bulkhead? That would provide enough distance and secure mounting location (and be inside the cabin). |
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hardee
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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daninPA wrote: | I thought there may be a possibility of putting an eyebolt on the V berth bulkhead but the material is not strong enough to support a loaded hammock.
The distance between rod holders is also too short to deploy my Hennesy hammock (or any other hammock I would fit in).
Perhaps an eyebolt near the anchor windlass mount on one end, the other on the cockpit bulkhead? That would provide enough distance and secure mounting location (and be inside the cabin). |
This is an interesting concept. I like the idea but have never slept in a hammock overnight.
Some Questions. How long is the hammock? How much distance would you need between tie or anchor points? How much sag from tie point to tie point would there be in the middle (yeah, I know, the more weight in the middle the closer you get to the ground What are the chances of waking up on the deck instead of in the hammock in the morning?
Would the aft cabin handle work for a tie point on one end and the opposite side, aft cleat work for the other end for tie points?
Somewhere in somebodies album there is a photo of a hammock on the bow, from the cabin top grab rail to the bow rail (IIRC). I have no idea where that was now.
I'm interested in following this as I may have a guest on board for a while this summer. Might work out.
Harvey
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ssobol
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't tried it (and I don't think a hammock would be all that comfortable), but I don't see a C-Dory 22 being big enough to have a hammock as described installed correctly. Figuring that a 6' person would need at least a 9' span (probably more) to hang a hammock properly, I don't see it happening in a 22 or even a 25. |
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daninPA
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Far more detailed hammock lore can be found elsewhere, but I am not talking about the backyard thing. This is a hammock meant for sleeping and it's incredibly comfortable (save for those with claustrophobia, but those people likely aren't into C-Dory).
There's a formula but with the Hennesy hammock, the ridgeline determines the correct amount of sag (you tie the ends so that the ridge line is taut, but not under tension).
Also, you lay at an angle in a modern hammock (not on centerline). This provides a flatter sleeping surface. So some cant to the lay is preferable (so a tie-down point centerline in front and off to one side aft would be acceptable). |
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daninPA
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smckean (Tosca)
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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I used to do a great deal of hard core backpacking. The group I hung out with once got enamored with hammocks instead of thermarests and tents. After much debate the group (about 20 people) decided that half hated them, the other half liked them. The difference?.....whether or not you slept on your back. The other problem was in cold weather it was difficult to insulate yourself between the sleeping bag (down) and the hammock. _________________ Sandy McKean
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ssobol
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently, people who natively sleep in hammocks use hammocks that are much wider than the typical backyard hammock used by westerners. These native hammocks are slept in perpendicular to the hanging axis vs. parallel to it as used by most people and seamen.
The Hennessy hammock needs a minimum of 12-13 feet span between hangers (depending on the model according to the website). It's not clear how much lateral space you need to tie out the stretcher lines. A 22 does not have that much clear space. Doubt that a 25 does either. |
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daninPA
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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I spent far too many nights on the ground (in the 90s the Army issued rolled foam -- pretty much as comfortable as it sounds -- not).
I bought an early Thermarest and slept on that for several years in the Army and then later camping and backpacking.
But soon sleeping on the ground lost its luster (or maybe I was too stubborn to realize it sucked).
I tried a Hennesy Hammock. I took it on a couple of backpacking excursions. I loved it (I'm a side sleeper except in a hammock -- go figure). In hot weather it was cooler. In cold weather the combination of insulation underneath and sleeping bag inside made it plenty warm.
Of course, in bear country, there's the slight discomfort of recognizing you're an easy snack.
Anyway, If I could I'd replace our Queen mattress with hammocks, but after 41 years that may be too radical a change to our marital bliss.
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daninPA
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bridma
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting topic. But when I am tired and want to crash, don't know if I could remember all the lashings and knots to put it up properly!
Martin. |
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daninPA
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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bridma wrote: | Interesting topic. But when I am tired and want to crash, don't know if I could remember all the lashings and knots to put it up properly!
Martin. |
I've been pretty tired at the end of a backpacking day. But after the re-acquaintance the first time each season, it becomes a 5 minute operation.
In fact, you could probably build inserts for the hang points that would allow a quick connect to the hammock ties at either end. |
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hardee
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:12 am Post subject: |
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Hummm, no problem turning over,
BIG PROBLEM staying in
Harvey
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