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colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Posts: 4547 City/Region: Madison
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Traveler
Photos: C-Traveler and Midnight-Flyer
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:35 pm Post subject: New Utah Boating Regulations for out of state boaters |
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Planning to use your boat in Utah? There are new requirements you need to know! Starting July 1, 2020, those with motorized vessels are required to:
Complete an online education course
Pay a $20 annual fee to use a boat at any waterbody in Utah
Both the online education and the $20 fee will be required of owners of boats not currently registered in the state of Utah, but that will be used within Utah. The course, the payment portal, and more information can be found at stdofthesea.utah.gov starting June 30.
Thank you for your cooperation and for doing your part to help protect Utah’s waters from aquatic invasive species!
https://stdofthesea.utah.gov/ais_nonresident_faq.php?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery |
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bobjarrard
Joined: 03 Oct 2010 Posts: 458 City/Region: Boulder City
State or Province: NV
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:29 pm Post subject: This is why at times we need a Federal unified code |
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Only those trying to stay legal will care about all the rules. It is almost too much for me to follow the bouncing ball of legalism and that is why I had to leave my native state of California for Nevada. I would rather pay $100 and get a Fed license that is good in the US, with a bit more $$ in Canada, and the same for Mexico. Same for hunting and fishing license. Bob |
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smckean (Tosca)
Joined: 18 Jan 2014 Posts: 975 City/Region: Guemes Island (Anacortes)
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Tosca
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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.....and Bob,
How would you feel if Utah contracted a serious zebra mussels infestation because you avoided an inspection or other legalism, but then it turned out that it was your boat that first brought the zebra mussels into Utah? _________________ Sandy McKean
Purchased Tosca in 2014
Re-powered to Yammi 200 in 2015 |
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bobjarrard
Joined: 03 Oct 2010 Posts: 458 City/Region: Boulder City
State or Province: NV
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:06 am Post subject: The issue is not compliance but lack of consistency |
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You are 100% right about we all need to follow the rules but there is only one best way to deal with Quagga or other threats, not 50+ different methods state by state. I have AIS stickers on my two boats here in Nevada, I think that works for the waters we share with Arizona but now not for Utah and who knows about California. I have boated in Tahoe. Shasta, and all along 395 and was glad to follow the rules in place. My point is not that we should fail do our best to protect our waterways but that sometimes complicated ends up with non-compliance or folks just up and quit. On the ICW there are now places where no one will moor, too complicated so all the local businesses suffer as folks just power through and do not enjoy those stretches. If I had not seen the post here on a rule in Utah that goes into place in July, I may have taken the five hour trip to Powell only to find out that I need to take a online class and buy a permit (try that move when it is 115 at Wahweap and there is no internet service).
I never turn right on red as I cannot remember which state allows that and which does not. 55 or 65 or 70 or 75? I drive big miles and mostly just see folks speeding and ignoring all the signs along the way.
One of our rules here is "Be Nice" and if in some way I offended you, I apologize but perhaps you threw a dead mackerel at me without asking yourself if I intended harm to the waterways we all love or was expressing a desire to have a more uniform and therefore more obey-able approach to matters such as invasive species.
That being said, again, if I was off base, please give me room to back up and try again!!! See ya. Bob |
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jkidd
Joined: 23 Oct 2006 Posts: 1615 City/Region: Northern, Utah
State or Province: UT
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Voyager
Photos: Voyager (JK)
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:39 am Post subject: |
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Utah is just joining in on what Idaho and Wyoming have been doing for years with the stickers in order to fund there AIS program. They already charge us in our registration. It only takes one boat to get through. Nobody is inspecting 24/7 until they do there programs will be a failure. One year at Yellowstone when I registered for a slip I was told the inspectors had gone home for the night so I could put in just stay in the marina. _________________ Jody Kidd
KE7WNG
Northern, Utah
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Nancy and Bud
Joined: 02 Aug 2019 Posts: 305 City/Region: Nashville
State or Province: IL
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Emma Mae
Photos: Emma Mae
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:55 am Post subject: Re: This is why at times we need a Federal unified code |
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bobjarrard wrote: | Only those trying to stay legal will care about all the rules. It is almost too much for me to follow the bouncing ball of legalism and that is why I had to leave my native state of California for Nevada. I would rather pay $100 and get a Fed license that is good in the US, with a bit more $$ in Canada, and the same for Mexico. Same for hunting and fishing license. Bob |
To which Fed license are you referring that would allow not getting a Utah permit? _________________ "C-dory's are the 13th step in a 12 step program for sailors."Marc Grove, Wefings Marine |
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bobjarrard
Joined: 03 Oct 2010 Posts: 458 City/Region: Boulder City
State or Province: NV
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:41 pm Post subject: Now, no bonfires in my front yard! Please!!! |
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--- Invasive species control is a Federal issue at heart, not a state issue though they are stakeholders. Look at the Colorado River, it goes through two countries and seven states. Quagga mussels do not swim per se like a fish, it is an infected boat, other object or water flow that carries the little buggers. There is no Federal AIS sticker which is my point. If I boat all seven states, will I have to take seven tests, have seven stickers on my boat and try to remember which of seven registrations expire when? The Feds and the States share revenue now, look at highway funds as an example.
--- I was just suggesting that rather than having a fragmented approach to this particular matter, that there might be a better way to deal with the issue. I currently boat in four states (Nevada, Utah, California, and Arizona) and want to do the right thing by each location but mussels are mussels (including in the cooling water intakes of atomic power plants and locks of major water ways). Same thing for boat use in different states, I do not have to get an out-of-state registration to drive in each state I visit. I think it is the same for planes, trailers, and other vehicles, only one registration.
--- This is a policy matter post not a denial by myself of the need to take care as a boater to not spread invasive species, the class you take and the sticker/permit/registration do not steam clean my bilge or keep my boat log to be sure that I have seven+days of high temp dry storage between launches in different bodies of water. I could boat Powell, Mead, Mohave, and Havasu all in one day if I wished (long day though) and would need to power wash/steam clean three or more times to be legal.
--- Boating is only one sportsman activity for me, I have lots of other outdoor adventures I enjoy and all of them are under pressure for one reason or another. Poor folks cannot afford the outdoors anymore, nor can they watch a baseball game with their kids. Shame on us!!!
--- I do not like the salmon pens in the PNW, I am sure they are hurting the wild stock. I can live with less hydro and have more spawning possible but not if "no growth" folks will not allow alternate power sources. It is a dialog of choices and there is no win win for all, we have to make difficult choices together and be willing to bend here and there if we want to live in a civil society.
--- So if you wish to have an in depth visit, below please find my full name, phone number and email address. If you want, my home is open to you (at six feet distancing but still open). I live in Boulder City, Nevada by the way, come visit, park in my drive-way, swim in my pool, launch eight minutes away at Lake Mead, and hoist a cool one with me.
--- I think it best for me to not post on this one again, I am here for boat stuff not to argue.
--- Bob Jarrard 714 686-2728 bobjarrard@gmail.com |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4656 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: 'Au Kai (Ocean Traveler)
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | ...we have to make difficult choices together and be willing to bend here and there if we want to live in a civil society | .
I live and work in the Seattle region. This statement made me laugh... Those days are gone my friend. Being a Kalifornia transplant, you probably realize this. It's their way or no way. Have you not heard? _________________ "We can go over there...behind the 'little one'....."
Wife to her husband pointing @ us...from the bow of their 50-footer; Prideaux Haven 2013 |
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smckean (Tosca)
Joined: 18 Jan 2014 Posts: 975 City/Region: Guemes Island (Anacortes)
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Tosca
Photos: Tosca
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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This map says it all......
(I love the dot right on the border!) |
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Nancy and Bud
Joined: 02 Aug 2019 Posts: 305 City/Region: Nashville
State or Province: IL
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Emma Mae
Photos: Emma Mae
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Several years ago we bought a Compac 23 Pilothouse in BC, Canada. Brought it back into the states at Blaine, Washington.
Then trailered it back home to Illinois. Not inspected in Washington. Inspected at the Idaho border. They tagged the motor. At the Montana border they accepted the Idaho tag as we had not relaunched.
No further inspection stations the rest of the way home. |
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colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Posts: 4547 City/Region: Madison
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Traveler
Photos: C-Traveler and Midnight-Flyer
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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I think that may have changed. I've been inspected in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho and Washington. Everyone wants their turn to look at my boat. lol. I passed them all (clean inspections that is), but still a pain. I do agree some reciprocity or agreements between states would make it easier for us with trailerable boats! Colby |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20808 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Yes we can be responsible boaters. But there is far wider spread of the muscles than may be recognized. From US Fish and Wild life service.
: Quote: | This species is spreading in western states and overall has been reported from the following states: Arizona, California, Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Utah, and Wisconsin. |
Utah already has the Quagga muscle--and has had it for some time. Lake Powell is infested-and most of it is in Utah. Yes, there are inspection stations. My experience is that many of them don't really know what to look for...but my experience is dated to about 5 years ago, when we saw many muscles at Powell. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
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bobjarrard
Joined: 03 Oct 2010 Posts: 458 City/Region: Boulder City
State or Province: NV
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:04 am Post subject: Speaking of mussels........... |
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I have noticed that with age you lose muscle mass and with that seems to come a bit of loss of sense of balance. I know that big boats are not in my radar any more but had hoped to get one more shot at cruising, even if on a limited basis. A 25 looks small on paper but huge on the trailer, even the 22 is a hunk but all things are proportionate, smaller boat, less to power wash and dry out!!!! Even if never buy a C-Dory, it has been a hoot to follow the Forums and "meet" so many nice folks along the way. Bob Jarrard |
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bobjarrard
Joined: 03 Oct 2010 Posts: 458 City/Region: Boulder City
State or Province: NV
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:05 am Post subject: Speaking of mussels........... |
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I have noticed that with age you lose muscle mass and with that seems to come a bit of loss of sense of balance. I know that big boats are not in my radar any more but had hoped to get one more shot at cruising, even if on a limited basis. A 25 looks small on paper but huge on the trailer, even the 22 is a hunk but all things are proportionate, smaller boat, less to power wash and dry out!!!! Even if I never buy a C-Dory, it has been a hoot to follow the Forums and "meet" so many nice folks along the way. Bob Jarrard |
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C-Hawk
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 2146 City/Region: Carpinteria / Channel Islands
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Not just a Federal or State issue-- but intra-state.
In Comifornia there are many different takes on the QM issue.
I have boated in some lakes that have no requirements, there are some lakes that just look to see if the bilge is clean, there are some lakes that the boat, motor and trailer has to be DRY, some lakes that require pressure/steam washing and there are some lakes that require a 30 day quarantine before you can launch.
Some lakes that will tag the boat/trailer and if the tag is broke, you have to be re-inspected.
All these various requirements even with the QM sticker required by the state. _________________ Roger
2002- CD22- "Fishtales" returned to factory 2008
2008- CD22- "C-Hawk" Sold
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